On 2008-05-07, Ivan Marsh <ivanmarsh@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 07 May 2008 19:36:04 +0000, Huge wrote:


>> I work for a *very* large corporate, and IME "enterprise" is marketing
>> speak for "crap".
>
> I'm sure your *very* large corporate is very proud of you.
>
> You must not be a big fan of all the Sun Enterprise class servers then?
> http://www.sun.com/servers/coolthreads/t5140/
>
> Don't look like crap to me.

Have you been a humourless twat all your life, or did you come to it recently?


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Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
> On 2008-05-06, Ivan Marsh <ivanmarsh@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 07 May 2008 07:48:10 +1200, Ian Collins wrote:
>
>
>>> Solaris is Solaris, none of this "Enterprise" nonsense.
>>
>> This is the inane discussion I've been talking about...
>>
>> Solaris is an OS developed by a single company, so of course Solaris is
>> Solaris.
>>
>> Linux, however, is developed, packaged and distributed by a multitude of
>> different companies, groups and individuals so, in the case of Linux,
>> "Enterprise" is in no way nonsense.
>
> I work for a *very* large corporate, and IME "enterprise" is marketing speak for
> "crap".

I think you misspelled "Very Expensive Crap"

I don't know what the execs at sun are smoking but it I'm guessing
its better than Mr J and friends had back at UCB.

I deal with systems that run a significant % of the GDP of a country
and I need rock solid stability and for audit reasons I have to
have "1 machine, 1 function"

My PFY has pointed out that the patches between 2 recent versions
of Sol 10 involve more code changes than the entire patch kit from
Sol 2.5 to 2.9. To me that means Sol 10 is still well inside that
Beta category and they may be years away from release. I'm ok with
that. Sol 10 has some cool features but its also go some mind
boggling problems. What I'm not ok with is not being able to buy
machines that can replace 3 year old machines that aren't forced
down the dark alley. Every one of the hare core security people I
know (the ones who used to do binary patches to live systems when
needed) agree. Has sun blinded its own people?

Sun needs to understand the needs of customers like me or else
someone else will come along and take their business away. They
used to understand and they still have quite a few engineers who
do understand yet their management seems to be sailing the ship
while steering with the aid of a crack pipe.

Right now our standard build is Netra 210/240 since they are rock
solid and they keep running. I don't need speed, I need stability,
security and audibility and I get that with Sol 9.

And I'm still trying to find out when EOL on the Netra 210 will be.

-tim
http://web.abnormal.com

On Thu, 08 May 2008 07:01:58 +0000, Huge wrote:

> On 2008-05-07, Ivan Marsh <ivanmarsh@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 07 May 2008 19:36:04 +0000, Huge wrote:
>
>
>>> I work for a *very* large corporate, and IME "enterprise" is marketing
>>> speak for "crap".
>>
>> I'm sure your *very* large corporate is very proud of you.
>>
>> You must not be a big fan of all the Sun Enterprise class servers then?
>> http://www.sun.com/servers/coolthreads/t5140/
>>
>> Don't look like crap to me.
>
> Have you been a humourless twat all your life, or did you come to it recently?

Yes.

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