Andrew Gabriel wrote:
> In article <spWdnXcMG_q1XUvanZ2dnUVZ_gKdnZ2d@bresnan.com>,
> Maverick <Sun@ranch.org> writes:
>
>>Thommy M. wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Mar 11, 2:15 am, Maverick <S...@ranch.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I didn't think that Sun had the resources to engineer their own boards,
>>>>but sounds impressive that they did.
>>>
>>>
>>>Systems engineering is the heart of Sun Microsystems.
>>> ^^^^^^^
>>>
>>
>>And so it was with HP in the past as well. But now... they don't.
>>That's why I was asking out of curiosity if Sun still did.
>
>
> That's why Sun have the X4150 (1U dual socket Xeon) and X4450 (2U quad
> socket Xeon) which are half the size of similar spec HP systems, the
> X4500 (4U dual socket Opteron including 48 disk drives), and the
> X4600 (4U 8 socket Opteron), neither of which HP have any equivalents for.
> These all come out of Andy's engineering group, together with other
> products, which are unique in the industry. You can't do that sort of
> development without your own design teams and engineering facilities.
>

Which again, I'll say, is impressive. :-)

Maverick wrote:
> Andrew Gabriel wrote:
>> In article <spWdnXcMG_q1XUvanZ2dnUVZ_gKdnZ2d@bresnan.com>,
>> Maverick <Sun@ranch.org> writes:
>>
>>> Thommy M. wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Mar 11, 2:15 am, Maverick <S...@ranch.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I didn't think that Sun had the resources to engineer their own
>>>>> boards,
>>>>> but sounds impressive that they did.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Systems engineering is the heart of Sun Microsystems.
>>>> ^^^^^^^
>>>>
>>>
>>> And so it was with HP in the past as well. But now... they don't.
>>> That's why I was asking out of curiosity if Sun still did.
>>
>>
>> That's why Sun have the X4150 (1U dual socket Xeon) and X4450 (2U quad
>> socket Xeon) which are half the size of similar spec HP systems, the
>> X4500 (4U dual socket Opteron including 48 disk drives), and the
>> X4600 (4U 8 socket Opteron), neither of which HP have any equivalents
>> for.
>> These all come out of Andy's engineering group, together with other
>> products, which are unique in the industry. You can't do that sort of
>> development without your own design teams and engineering facilities.
>>
>
> Which again, I'll say, is impressive. :-)

I'm not impressed. I find it only natural for a top tier player. HP is
top tier in printers...

Thommy M. wrote:

> Maverick wrote:
>
>>Andrew Gabriel wrote:
>>
>>>In article <spWdnXcMG_q1XUvanZ2dnUVZ_gKdnZ2d@bresnan.com>,
>>> Maverick <Sun@ranch.org> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Thommy M. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Mar 11, 2:15 am, Maverick <S...@ranch.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I didn't think that Sun had the resources to engineer their own
>>>>>>boards,
>>>>>>but sounds impressive that they did.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Systems engineering is the heart of Sun Microsystems.
>>>>> ^^^^^^^
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>And so it was with HP in the past as well. But now... they don't.
>>>>That's why I was asking out of curiosity if Sun still did.
>>>
>>>
>>>That's why Sun have the X4150 (1U dual socket Xeon) and X4450 (2U quad
>>>socket Xeon) which are half the size of similar spec HP systems, the
>>>X4500 (4U dual socket Opteron including 48 disk drives), and the
>>>X4600 (4U 8 socket Opteron), neither of which HP have any equivalents
>>>for.
>>>These all come out of Andy's engineering group, together with other
>>>products, which are unique in the industry. You can't do that sort of
>>>development without your own design teams and engineering facilities.
>>>
>>
>>Which again, I'll say, is impressive. :-)
>
>
> I'm not impressed. I find it only natural for a top tier player. HP is
> top tier in printers...

Don't you think that manufacturing mother boards is a bit more difficult
than building printers?
HP has essentially reduced itself as another BOXCO.
I think it was done by some lady from Avon.

On Mar 13, 4:37 am, Maverick <S...@ranch.org> wrote:
> Thommy M. wrote:
> > Maverick wrote:
>
> >>Andrew Gabriel wrote:
>
> >>>In article <spWdnXcMG_q1XUvanZ2dnUVZ_gKdn...@bresnan.com>,
> >>> Maverick <S...@ranch.org> writes:
>
> >>>>Thommy M. wrote:
>
> >>>>>On Mar 11, 2:15 am, Maverick <S...@ranch.org> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>I didn't think that Sun had the resources to engineer their own
> >>>>>>boards,
> >>>>>>but sounds impressive that they did.
>
> >>>>>Systems engineering is the heart of Sun Microsystems.
> >>>>> ^^^^^^^
>
> >>>>And so it was with HP in the past as well. But now... they don't.
> >>>>That's why I was asking out of curiosity if Sun still did.
>
> >>>That's why Sun have the X4150 (1U dual socket Xeon) and X4450 (2U quad
> >>>socket Xeon) which are half the size of similar spec HP systems, the
> >>>X4500 (4U dual socket Opteron including 48 disk drives), and the
> >>>X4600 (4U 8 socket Opteron), neither of which HP have any equivalents
> >>>for.
> >>>These all come out of Andy's engineering group, together with other
> >>>products, which are unique in the industry. You can't do that sort of
> >>>development without your own design teams and engineering facilities.
>
> >>Which again, I'll say, is impressive. :-)
>
> > I'm not impressed. I find it only natural for a top tier player. HP is
> > top tier in printers...
>
> Don't you think that manufacturing mother boards is a bit more difficult
> than building printers?

Well, that's what I was trying to say. Sun is a top tier player in
systems design, HP is not.

> HP has essentially reduced itself as another BOXCO.
> I think it was done by some lady from Avon.

Yep, quite true.

Thommy M. wrote:

> On Mar 13, 4:37 am, Maverick <S...@ranch.org> wrote:
>
>>Thommy M. wrote:
>>
>>>Maverick wrote:
>>
>>>>Andrew Gabriel wrote:
>>
>>>>>In article <spWdnXcMG_q1XUvanZ2dnUVZ_gKdn...@bresnan.com>,
>>>>> Maverick <S...@ranch.org> writes:
>>
>>>>>>Thommy M. wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>On Mar 11, 2:15 am, Maverick <S...@ranch.org> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>I didn't think that Sun had the resources to engineer their own
>>>>>>>>boards,
>>>>>>>>but sounds impressive that they did.
>>
>>>>>>>Systems engineering is the heart of Sun Microsystems.
>>>>>>> ^^^^^^^
>>
>>>>>>And so it was with HP in the past as well. But now... they don't.
>>>>>>That's why I was asking out of curiosity if Sun still did.
>>
>>>>>That's why Sun have the X4150 (1U dual socket Xeon) and X4450 (2U quad
>>>>>socket Xeon) which are half the size of similar spec HP systems, the
>>>>>X4500 (4U dual socket Opteron including 48 disk drives), and the
>>>>>X4600 (4U 8 socket Opteron), neither of which HP have any equivalents
>>>>>for.
>>>>>These all come out of Andy's engineering group, together with other
>>>>>products, which are unique in the industry. You can't do that sort of
>>>>>development without your own design teams and engineering facilities.
>>
>>>>Which again, I'll say, is impressive. :-)
>>
>>>I'm not impressed. I find it only natural for a top tier player. HP is
>>>top tier in printers...
>>
>>Don't you think that manufacturing mother boards is a bit more difficult
>>than building printers?
>
>
> Well, that's what I was trying to say. Sun is a top tier player in
> systems design, HP is not.
>

They used to be tho. PA-RISC processors and HP-UX. You don't see them
anymore.
Same for the old DEC.

>
>>HP has essentially reduced itself as another BOXCO.
>>I think it was done by some lady from Avon.
>
>
> Yep, quite true.
>

Maverick wrote:
> Thommy M. wrote:
[...]
>> Well, that's what I was trying to say. Sun is a top tier player in
>> systems design, HP is not.
>>
>
> They used to be tho. PA-RISC processors and HP-UX. You don't see them
> anymore.

But Sun continues to be a leader in systems design. Look at the Galaxy.
Who beats that? Wonder what the Rock based systems will look like when
they are out (next year???)

> Same for the old DEC.

Which was bought by Compaq, which was bought by HP. What a sad story.
And no descent OS either anymore...

Thommy M. wrote:

> Maverick wrote:
>
>>Thommy M. wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>>>Well, that's what I was trying to say. Sun is a top tier player in
>>>systems design, HP is not.
>>>
>>
>>They used to be tho. PA-RISC processors and HP-UX. You don't see them
>>anymore.
>
>
> But Sun continues to be a leader in systems design. Look at the Galaxy.
> Who beats that? Wonder what the Rock based systems will look like when
> they are out (next year???)
>
>
>>Same for the old DEC.
>
>
> Which was bought by Compaq, which was bought by HP. What a sad story.
> And no descent OS either anymore...

Sad but too true.
I do need a new computer, but I'm having some difficulties with choosing
which one to get. I like OS X, but lately Leopard is having
difficulties. Apple upgraded it to be UNIX compliant. But their
chiclet keyboard is horrid. I want to listen to mlb.com using gameday
audio, but this limits me to using either Windows or OS X. Yet the
mlb.com site is driven by Sun. Now how does one listen to baseball
broadcasts on solaris? Strange world, but I won't have Vista, that much
is certain. Linux is out of the question. What MLB needs to do is make
their app totally java. At least everyone that wants to can then at
least listen.