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Andrew,

* Andrew Dunstan (andrew@dunslane.net) wrote:
> For example, because it put *my* address in the list for your message
> above, it caused my MUA quite correctly to add a To: line to myself,
> which I certainly didn't want to do.

Honestly, I suspect thunderbird just doesn't know your addresses if
it's adding your address back in. Adding your address isn't for you-
it's for other people. The, completely reasonable, assumption is that
if your address was included in a To or Cc that you're not on the list
and stripping that out would mean you'd be left out.

> And it's completely unnecessary. For example, I have set my majordomo
> preferences for the postgresql.org lists not to send me copies of emails
> where I am also in the To: or Cc: lines. After doing that I get no
> duplicates.

This doesn't help at all, actually. As I pointed out previously, I
*want* the mail through the list, what I *don't* want is people sending
list mail directly to me.

> And I don't casue anyone else to have to edit the addresses when they
> reply to my mail.

Are you sure thunderbird recognizes the email address you use for
posting as a local identity/account? Mutt has a specific 'alternates'
configuration to let it know what addresses are local.

> If you want to ensure that you reply to a list, use an MUA that has a
> reply-to-list command - I see you use mutt, which has such a command
> IIRC.

Indeed, and it's exactly what I use when replying to list mail. The
issue isn't making sure that *I* reply to a list, it's asking other
people to reply through the list rather than to me.

Thanks,

Stephen

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Stephen Frost wrote:
> Andrew,
>
> * Andrew Dunstan (andrew@dunslane.net) wrote:
>
>> For example, because it put *my* address in the list for your message
>> above, it caused my MUA quite correctly to add a To: line to myself,
>> which I certainly didn't want to do.
>>
>
> Honestly, I suspect thunderbird just doesn't know your addresses if
> it's adding your address back in. Adding your address isn't for you-
> it's for other people. The, completely reasonable, assumption is that
> if your address was included in a To or Cc that you're not on the list
> and stripping that out would mean you'd be left out.
>
>
>> And it's completely unnecessary. For example, I have set my majordomo
>> preferences for the postgresql.org lists not to send me copies of emails
>> where I am also in the To: or Cc: lines. After doing that I get no
>> duplicates.
>>
>
> This doesn't help at all, actually. As I pointed out previously, I
> *want* the mail through the list, what I *don't* want is people sending
> list mail directly to me.
>
>
>> And I don't casue anyone else to have to edit the addresses when they
>> reply to my mail.
>>
>
> Are you sure thunderbird recognizes the email address you use for
> posting as a local identity/account? Mutt has a specific 'alternates'
> configuration to let it know what addresses are local.
>
>
>> If you want to ensure that you reply to a list, use an MUA that has a
>> reply-to-list command - I see you use mutt, which has such a command
>> IIRC.
>>
>
> Indeed, and it's exactly what I use when replying to list mail. The
> issue isn't making sure that *I* reply to a list, it's asking other
> people to reply through the list rather than to me.
>
>
>

a. I don't use Thunderbird.
b. Of couse the MUA knows what my address is.
c. Yours are pretty much the *only* settings of all the users of this
list that cause me issues. Judging by your own words I am not alone in
being thus inconvenienced (otherwise, why would "an amazing number" of
people ask you about it?). If you don't care about that then there's
nothing much I can do. Alvaro used to have a similar setup. When I
complained he very kindly fixed it.
d. Your "completely reasonable" assumption above is, of course, bogus.
Most people when replying to a list reply to all adresses. Assuming that
the non-list addresses are for people not on the list is nonsense.

cheers

andrew

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Stephen Frost wrote:

> > And it's completely unnecessary. For example, I have set my majordomo
> > preferences for the postgresql.org lists not to send me copies of emails
> > where I am also in the To: or Cc: lines. After doing that I get no
> > duplicates.
>
> This doesn't help at all, actually. As I pointed out previously, I
> *want* the mail through the list, what I *don't* want is people sending
> list mail directly to me.

Wouldn't it make sense, then, to filter any email which is Cc'ed to a
list, into that list's folder? Add to that a bit of duplicate removal
(say, procmail's, or whatever you use) and you're set.

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The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc.

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