On Oct 8, 2006, at 14:29, Tom Lane wrote:

> Looks good, but I don't think we want to abandon OSX 10.2 support
> just yet. I'll revise this to use a configure probe for dlopen.

Maybe we can abandon Mac OS X 10.2 in 8.3 and later? And not back-
port these patches to the 7.x, 8.0, and 8.1 branches?

BTW, I think the configure probe (only on Darwin, correct?) should
test for the existence of <dlfcn.h>.

> My inclination is to apply this one now, since it only affects OSX
> and should be easily testable, but to hold off on your other patch
> for portable Bonjour support until 8.3 devel starts. The portability
> implications of that one are unclear, and I don't know how to test it
> either, so I think putting it in now is too much risk.

The Bonjour patch wasn't intended to be portable to other platforms
just yet. As submitted, it has the same risks/advantages as this
dlopen() patch -- it only works on 10.3 and later, but isn't
deprecated in 10.4.

If we want to keep 10.2 support for Bonjour, we can test for both
DNSServiceDiscovery.h and dns_sd.h in ./configure, and prefer
dns_sd.h if it's found (which will be the case for 10.3 and 10.4) but
use DNSServiceDiscovery.h if not (which will be the case for 10.2).

Thanks!

- Chris


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Chris Campbell <chris@bignerdranch.com> writes:
> On Oct 8, 2006, at 14:29, Tom Lane wrote:
>> Looks good, but I don't think we want to abandon OSX 10.2 support
>> just yet. I'll revise this to use a configure probe for dlopen.

> Maybe we can abandon Mac OS X 10.2 in 8.3 and later? And not back-
> port these patches to the 7.x, 8.0, and 8.1 branches?

I don't see any particular reason to abandon 10.2 at all, as long as
all it's costing us is a couple dozen lines in dynloader/darwin.c.
As for back-porting, I don't see a strong reason to do that either.
Apple will presumably maintain the compatibility APIs for a long
while yet.

> BTW, I think the configure probe (only on Darwin, correct?) should
> test for the existence of <dlfcn.h>.

I realized that configure is already probing for dlopen(), so I just
used HAVE_DLOPEN. We can add a separate test for the header file if
it proves really necessary, but I bet it's not.

regards, tom lane

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The Darwin dlopen() patch has already been applied. Where are we on the
Bonjour patch? Do we want code that works on Darwin 10.2 and 10.3?

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Chris Campbell wrote:
> On Oct 8, 2006, at 14:29, Tom Lane wrote:
>
> > Looks good, but I don't think we want to abandon OSX 10.2 support
> > just yet. I'll revise this to use a configure probe for dlopen.
>
> Maybe we can abandon Mac OS X 10.2 in 8.3 and later? And not back-
> port these patches to the 7.x, 8.0, and 8.1 branches?
>
> BTW, I think the configure probe (only on Darwin, correct?) should
> test for the existence of <dlfcn.h>.
>
> > My inclination is to apply this one now, since it only affects OSX
> > and should be easily testable, but to hold off on your other patch
> > for portable Bonjour support until 8.3 devel starts. The portability
> > implications of that one are unclear, and I don't know how to test it
> > either, so I think putting it in now is too much risk.
>
> The Bonjour patch wasn't intended to be portable to other platforms
> just yet. As submitted, it has the same risks/advantages as this
> dlopen() patch -- it only works on 10.3 and later, but isn't
> deprecated in 10.4.
>
> If we want to keep 10.2 support for Bonjour, we can test for both
> DNSServiceDiscovery.h and dns_sd.h in ./configure, and prefer
> dns_sd.h if it's found (which will be the case for 10.3 and 10.4) but
> use DNSServiceDiscovery.h if not (which will be the case for 10.2).
>
> Thanks!
>
> - Chris
>
>
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With no new version from the author and no working version for all
supported OS/X version, I am saving this patch for 8.4.

This has been saved for the 8.4 release:

http://momjian.postgresql.org/cgi-bin/pgpatches_hold

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Chris Campbell wrote:
> On Oct 8, 2006, at 14:29, Tom Lane wrote:
>
> > Looks good, but I don't think we want to abandon OSX 10.2 support
> > just yet. I'll revise this to use a configure probe for dlopen.
>
> Maybe we can abandon Mac OS X 10.2 in 8.3 and later? And not back-
> port these patches to the 7.x, 8.0, and 8.1 branches?
>
> BTW, I think the configure probe (only on Darwin, correct?) should
> test for the existence of <dlfcn.h>.
>
> > My inclination is to apply this one now, since it only affects OSX
> > and should be easily testable, but to hold off on your other patch
> > for portable Bonjour support until 8.3 devel starts. The portability
> > implications of that one are unclear, and I don't know how to test it
> > either, so I think putting it in now is too much risk.
>
> The Bonjour patch wasn't intended to be portable to other platforms
> just yet. As submitted, it has the same risks/advantages as this
> dlopen() patch -- it only works on 10.3 and later, but isn't
> deprecated in 10.4.
>
> If we want to keep 10.2 support for Bonjour, we can test for both
> DNSServiceDiscovery.h and dns_sd.h in ./configure, and prefer
> dns_sd.h if it's found (which will be the case for 10.3 and 10.4) but
> use DNSServiceDiscovery.h if not (which will be the case for 10.2).
>
> Thanks!
>
> - Chris
>
>
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Ah, I already had this on the TODO list with URLs, so I will not put it
in the hold queue.

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Chris Campbell wrote:
> On Oct 8, 2006, at 14:29, Tom Lane wrote:
>
> > Looks good, but I don't think we want to abandon OSX 10.2 support
> > just yet. I'll revise this to use a configure probe for dlopen.
>
> Maybe we can abandon Mac OS X 10.2 in 8.3 and later? And not back-
> port these patches to the 7.x, 8.0, and 8.1 branches?
>
> BTW, I think the configure probe (only on Darwin, correct?) should
> test for the existence of <dlfcn.h>.
>
> > My inclination is to apply this one now, since it only affects OSX
> > and should be easily testable, but to hold off on your other patch
> > for portable Bonjour support until 8.3 devel starts. The portability
> > implications of that one are unclear, and I don't know how to test it
> > either, so I think putting it in now is too much risk.
>
> The Bonjour patch wasn't intended to be portable to other platforms
> just yet. As submitted, it has the same risks/advantages as this
> dlopen() patch -- it only works on 10.3 and later, but isn't
> deprecated in 10.4.
>
> If we want to keep 10.2 support for Bonjour, we can test for both
> DNSServiceDiscovery.h and dns_sd.h in ./configure, and prefer
> dns_sd.h if it's found (which will be the case for 10.3 and 10.4) but
> use DNSServiceDiscovery.h if not (which will be the case for 10.2).
>
> Thanks!
>
> - Chris
>
>
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Actually, can we now say we only support OS/X 10.3 and later. If so, we
can use the patch unchanged.

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Bruce Momjian wrote:
>
> Ah, I already had this on the TODO list with URLs, so I will not put it
> in the hold queue.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Chris Campbell wrote:
> > On Oct 8, 2006, at 14:29, Tom Lane wrote:
> >
> > > Looks good, but I don't think we want to abandon OSX 10.2 support
> > > just yet. I'll revise this to use a configure probe for dlopen.
> >
> > Maybe we can abandon Mac OS X 10.2 in 8.3 and later? And not back-
> > port these patches to the 7.x, 8.0, and 8.1 branches?
> >
> > BTW, I think the configure probe (only on Darwin, correct?) should
> > test for the existence of <dlfcn.h>.
> >
> > > My inclination is to apply this one now, since it only affects OSX
> > > and should be easily testable, but to hold off on your other patch
> > > for portable Bonjour support until 8.3 devel starts. The portability
> > > implications of that one are unclear, and I don't know how to test it
> > > either, so I think putting it in now is too much risk.
> >
> > The Bonjour patch wasn't intended to be portable to other platforms
> > just yet. As submitted, it has the same risks/advantages as this
> > dlopen() patch -- it only works on 10.3 and later, but isn't
> > deprecated in 10.4.
> >
> > If we want to keep 10.2 support for Bonjour, we can test for both
> > DNSServiceDiscovery.h and dns_sd.h in ./configure, and prefer
> > dns_sd.h if it's found (which will be the case for 10.3 and 10.4) but
> > use DNSServiceDiscovery.h if not (which will be the case for 10.2).
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > - Chris
> >
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