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| Uh, were are we in fixing/reviewing this? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew Dunstan wrote: > > > I wrote: > > Pavel Stehule wrote: > >> Hello, > >> > >> I send two small patches. First does conversion from perl to > >> postgresql array in OUT parameters. Second patch allow hash form > >> output from procedures with one OUT argument. > >> > > > > I will try to review these in the next 2 weeks unless someone beats me > > to it. > > > > > > I have reviewed this lightly, as committed by Bruce, and have some > concerns. Unfortunately, the deathof my main workstation has cost me > much of the time I intended to use for a more thorough review, so there > may well be more issues than are outlined here. > > First, it is completely undocumented. > > Second, this comment is at best confusing: > > /* if value is ref on array do to pg string array conversion */ > > > Third, it appears to assume that we will have names for all OUT params. But names are optional, as I understand it. Arguably, we should be treating the returns positionally, and thus return an arrayref when there are OYT params, not a hashref, and ignore the names - after all, all perl function args are nameless, in fact, even if you use a naming convention to refer to them. > > Fourth, I don't understand the change: "allow hash form output from procedures with one OUT argument." That seems very non-orthogonal, and I can't see any good reason for it. > > Lastly, if you look at the expected output as committed,it appears to have been prepared without being actually examined, for example: > > > CREATE OR REPLACE FUNCTION test05(OUT a varchar) AS $$ > return {a=>'ahoj'}; > $$ LANGUAGE plperl; > SELECT '05' AS i,a FROM test05(); > i | a > ----+----------------- > 05 | HASH(0x8558f9c) > (1 row) > > > what??? > > And now that I look I see every buildfarm box broken on PLCheck. That's no surprise at all. > > > The conversation regarding these features appears only to have started on July 28th, which was probably much too late given some of the issues. Unless we can solve these issues very fast I would be inclined to say this should be tabled for 8.3. I think this is a fairly good illustration of the danger of springing a feature, largely undiscussed, on the community just about freeze time. > > cheers > > andrew -- Bruce Momjian bruce@momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://www.enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. + ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- TIP 1: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate subscribe-nomail command to majordomo@postgresql.org so that your message can get through to the mailing list cleanly |
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| I think it has to wait to 8.3. It's a complete mess that was submitted unheralded at the last moment. Pavel needs to get into the habit of submitting ideas first, not just patches. And there must be proper documentation and working regression tests. cheers andrew Bruce Momjian wrote: > Uh, were are we in fixing/reviewing this? > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Andrew Dunstan wrote: > >> I wrote: >> >>> Pavel Stehule wrote: >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> I send two small patches. First does conversion from perl to >>>> postgresql array in OUT parameters. Second patch allow hash form >>>> output from procedures with one OUT argument. >>>> >>>> >>> I will try to review these in the next 2 weeks unless someone beats me >>> to it. >>> >>> >>> >> I have reviewed this lightly, as committed by Bruce, and have some >> concerns. Unfortunately, the deathof my main workstation has cost me >> much of the time I intended to use for a more thorough review, so there >> may well be more issues than are outlined here. >> >> First, it is completely undocumented. >> >> Second, this comment is at best confusing: >> >> /* if value is ref on array do to pg string array conversion */ >> >> >> Third, it appears to assume that we will have names for all OUT params. But names are optional, as I understand it. Arguably, we should be treating the returns positionally, and thus return an arrayref when there are OYT params, not a hashref, and ignore the names - after all, all perl function args are nameless, in fact, even if you use a naming convention to refer to them. >> >> Fourth, I don't understand the change: "allow hash form output from procedures with one OUT argument." That seems very non-orthogonal, and I can't see any good reason for it. >> >> Lastly, if you look at the expected output as committed,it appears to have been prepared without being actually examined, for example: >> >> >> CREATE OR REPLACE FUNCTION test05(OUT a varchar) AS $$ >> return {a=>'ahoj'}; >> $$ LANGUAGE plperl; >> SELECT '05' AS i,a FROM test05(); >> i | a >> ----+----------------- >> 05 | HASH(0x8558f9c) >> (1 row) >> >> >> what??? >> >> And now that I look I see every buildfarm box broken on PLCheck. That's no surprise at all. >> >> >> The conversation regarding these features appears only to have started on July 28th, which was probably much too late given some of the issues. Unless we can solve these issues very fast I would be inclined to say this should be tabled for 8.3. I think this is a fairly good illustration of the danger of springing a feature, largely undiscussed, on the community just about freeze time. >> >> cheers >> >> andrew >> > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- TIP 4: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org |
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| OK. This has been saved for the 8.3 release: http://momjian.postgresql.org/cgi-bin/pgpatches_hold --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew Dunstan wrote: > > I think it has to wait to 8.3. It's a complete mess that was submitted > unheralded at the last moment. Pavel needs to get into the habit of > submitting ideas first, not just patches. And there must be proper > documentation and working regression tests. > > cheers > > andrew > > Bruce Momjian wrote: > > Uh, were are we in fixing/reviewing this? > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Andrew Dunstan wrote: > > > >> I wrote: > >> > >>> Pavel Stehule wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hello, > >>>> > >>>> I send two small patches. First does conversion from perl to > >>>> postgresql array in OUT parameters. Second patch allow hash form > >>>> output from procedures with one OUT argument. > >>>> > >>>> > >>> I will try to review these in the next 2 weeks unless someone beats me > >>> to it. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> I have reviewed this lightly, as committed by Bruce, and have some > >> concerns. Unfortunately, the deathof my main workstation has cost me > >> much of the time I intended to use for a more thorough review, so there > >> may well be more issues than are outlined here. > >> > >> First, it is completely undocumented. > >> > >> Second, this comment is at best confusing: > >> > >> /* if value is ref on array do to pg string array conversion */ > >> > >> > >> Third, it appears to assume that we will have names for all OUT params. But names are optional, as I understand it. Arguably, we should be treating the returns positionally, and thus return an arrayref when there are OYT params, not a hashref, and ignore the names - after all, all perl function args are nameless, in fact, even if you use a naming convention to refer to them. > >> > >> Fourth, I don't understand the change: "allow hash form output from procedures with one OUT argument." That seems very non-orthogonal, and I can't see any good reason for it. > >> > >> Lastly, if you look at the expected output as committed,it appears to have been prepared without being actually examined, for example: > >> > >> > >> CREATE OR REPLACE FUNCTION test05(OUT a varchar) AS $$ > >> return {a=>'ahoj'}; > >> $$ LANGUAGE plperl; > >> SELECT '05' AS i,a FROM test05(); > >> i | a > >> ----+----------------- > >> 05 | HASH(0x8558f9c) > >> (1 row) > >> > >> > >> what??? > >> > >> And now that I look I see every buildfarm box broken on PLCheck. That's no surprise at all. > >> > >> > >> The conversation regarding these features appears only to have started on July 28th, which was probably much too late given some of the issues. Unless we can solve these issues very fast I would be inclined to say this should be tabled for 8.3. I think this is a fairly good illustration of the danger of springing a feature, largely undiscussed, on the community just about freeze time. > >> > >> cheers > >> > >> andrew > >> > > > > -- Bruce Momjian bruce@momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://www.enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. + ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- TIP 3: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faq |
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| Oh, let me add that this was first discussed on July 28: http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql...7/msg01421.php and a patch posted on July 30: http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql...7/msg01559.php --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew Dunstan wrote: > > I think it has to wait to 8.3. It's a complete mess that was submitted > unheralded at the last moment. Pavel needs to get into the habit of > submitting ideas first, not just patches. And there must be proper > documentation and working regression tests. > > cheers > > andrew > > Bruce Momjian wrote: > > Uh, were are we in fixing/reviewing this? > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Andrew Dunstan wrote: > > > >> I wrote: > >> > >>> Pavel Stehule wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hello, > >>>> > >>>> I send two small patches. First does conversion from perl to > >>>> postgresql array in OUT parameters. Second patch allow hash form > >>>> output from procedures with one OUT argument. > >>>> > >>>> > >>> I will try to review these in the next 2 weeks unless someone beats me > >>> to it. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> I have reviewed this lightly, as committed by Bruce, and have some > >> concerns. Unfortunately, the deathof my main workstation has cost me > >> much of the time I intended to use for a more thorough review, so there > >> may well be more issues than are outlined here. > >> > >> First, it is completely undocumented. > >> > >> Second, this comment is at best confusing: > >> > >> /* if value is ref on array do to pg string array conversion */ > >> > >> > >> Third, it appears to assume that we will have names for all OUT params. But names are optional, as I understand it. Arguably, we should be treating the returns positionally, and thus return an arrayref when there are OYT params, not a hashref, and ignore the names - after all, all perl function args are nameless, in fact, even if you use a naming convention to refer to them. > >> > >> Fourth, I don't understand the change: "allow hash form output from procedures with one OUT argument." That seems very non-orthogonal, and I can't see any good reason for it. > >> > >> Lastly, if you look at the expected output as committed,it appears to have been prepared without being actually examined, for example: > >> > >> > >> CREATE OR REPLACE FUNCTION test05(OUT a varchar) AS $$ > >> return {a=>'ahoj'}; > >> $$ LANGUAGE plperl; > >> SELECT '05' AS i,a FROM test05(); > >> i | a > >> ----+----------------- > >> 05 | HASH(0x8558f9c) > >> (1 row) > >> > >> > >> what??? > >> > >> And now that I look I see every buildfarm box broken on PLCheck. That's no surprise at all. > >> > >> > >> The conversation regarding these features appears only to have started on July 28th, which was probably much too late given some of the issues. Unless we can solve these issues very fast I would be inclined to say this should be tabled for 8.3. I think this is a fairly good illustration of the danger of springing a feature, largely undiscussed, on the community just about freeze time. > >> > >> cheers > >> > >> andrew > >> > > > > -- Bruce Momjian bruce@momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://www.enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. + ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- TIP 5: don't forget to increase your free space map settings |
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| Like I said, at the last moment. Bruce Momjian wrote: > Oh, let me add that this was first discussed on July 28: > > http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql...7/msg01421.php > > and a patch posted on July 30: > > http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql...7/msg01559.php > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Andrew Dunstan wrote: > >> I think it has to wait to 8.3. It's a complete mess that was submitted >> unheralded at the last moment. Pavel needs to get into the habit of >> submitting ideas first, not just patches. And there must be proper >> documentation and working regression tests. >> >> cheers >> >> andrew >> >> Bruce Momjian wrote: >> >>> Uh, were are we in fixing/reviewing this? >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Andrew Dunstan wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Pavel Stehule wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hello, >>>>>> >>>>>> I send two small patches. First does conversion from perl to >>>>>> postgresql array in OUT parameters. Second patch allow hash form >>>>>> output from procedures with one OUT argument. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> I will try to review these in the next 2 weeks unless someone beats me >>>>> to it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> I have reviewed this lightly, as committed by Bruce, and have some >>>> concerns. Unfortunately, the deathof my main workstation has cost me >>>> much of the time I intended to use for a more thorough review, so there >>>> may well be more issues than are outlined here. >>>> >>>> First, it is completely undocumented. >>>> >>>> Second, this comment is at best confusing: >>>> >>>> /* if value is ref on array do to pg string array conversion */ >>>> >>>> >>>> Third, it appears to assume that we will have names for all OUT params. But names are optional, as I understand it. Arguably, we should be treating the returns positionally, and thus return an arrayref when there are OYT params, not a hashref, and ignore the names - after all, all perl function args are nameless, in fact, even if you use a naming convention to refer to them. >>>> >>>> Fourth, I don't understand the change: "allow hash form output from procedures with one OUT argument." That seems very non-orthogonal, and I can't see any good reason for it. >>>> >>>> Lastly, if you look at the expected output as committed,it appears to have been prepared without being actually examined, for example: >>>> >>>> >>>> CREATE OR REPLACE FUNCTION test05(OUT a varchar) AS $$ >>>> return {a=>'ahoj'}; >>>> $$ LANGUAGE plperl; >>>> SELECT '05' AS i,a FROM test05(); >>>> i | a >>>> ----+----------------- >>>> 05 | HASH(0x8558f9c) >>>> (1 row) >>>> >>>> >>>> what??? >>>> >>>> And now that I look I see every buildfarm box broken on PLCheck. That's no surprise at all. >>>> >>>> >>>> The conversation regarding these features appears only to have started on July 28th, which was probably much too late given some of the issues. Unless we can solve these issues very fast I would be inclined to say this should be tabled for 8.3. I think this is a fairly good illustration of the danger of springing a feature, largely undiscussed, on the community just about freeze time. >>>> >>>> cheers >>>> >>>> andrew >>>> >>>> >>> >>> > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- TIP 9: In versions below 8.0, the planner will ignore your desire to choose an index scan if your joining column's datatypes do not match |
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| Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> writes: > Uh, were are we in fixing/reviewing this? It's dead for 8.2 --- Andrew's complaints are pretty serious at both the conceptual and implementation levels, and there's been no sign of discussion about how to fix them. regards, tom lane ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- TIP 6: explain analyze is your friend |
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| Would someone review this. It is in the patches_hold queue: http://momjian.postgresql.org/cgi-bin/pgpatches_hold --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew Dunstan wrote: > > I think it has to wait to 8.3. It's a complete mess that was submitted > unheralded at the last moment. Pavel needs to get into the habit of > submitting ideas first, not just patches. And there must be proper > documentation and working regression tests. > > cheers > > andrew > > Bruce Momjian wrote: > > Uh, were are we in fixing/reviewing this? > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Andrew Dunstan wrote: > > > >> I wrote: > >> > >>> Pavel Stehule wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hello, > >>>> > >>>> I send two small patches. First does conversion from perl to > >>>> postgresql array in OUT parameters. Second patch allow hash form > >>>> output from procedures with one OUT argument. > >>>> > >>>> > >>> I will try to review these in the next 2 weeks unless someone beats me > >>> to it. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> I have reviewed this lightly, as committed by Bruce, and have some > >> concerns. Unfortunately, the deathof my main workstation has cost me > >> much of the time I intended to use for a more thorough review, so there > >> may well be more issues than are outlined here. > >> > >> First, it is completely undocumented. > >> > >> Second, this comment is at best confusing: > >> > >> /* if value is ref on array do to pg string array conversion */ > >> > >> > >> Third, it appears to assume that we will have names for all OUT params. But names are optional, as I understand it. Arguably, we should be treating the returns positionally, and thus return an arrayref when there are OYT params, not a hashref, and ignore the names - after all, all perl function args are nameless, in fact, even if you use a naming convention to refer to them. > >> > >> Fourth, I don't understand the change: "allow hash form output from procedures with one OUT argument." That seems very non-orthogonal, and I can't see any good reason for it. > >> > >> Lastly, if you look at the expected output as committed,it appears to have been prepared without being actually examined, for example: > >> > >> > >> CREATE OR REPLACE FUNCTION test05(OUT a varchar) AS $$ > >> return {a=>'ahoj'}; > >> $$ LANGUAGE plperl; > >> SELECT '05' AS i,a FROM test05(); > >> i | a > >> ----+----------------- > >> 05 | HASH(0x8558f9c) > >> (1 row) > >> > >> > >> what??? > >> > >> And now that I look I see every buildfarm box broken on PLCheck. That's no surprise at all. > >> > >> > >> The conversation regarding these features appears only to have started on July 28th, which was probably much too late given some of the issues. Unless we can solve these issues very fast I would be inclined to say this should be tabled for 8.3. I think this is a fairly good illustration of the danger of springing a feature, largely undiscussed, on the community just about freeze time. > >> > >> cheers > >> > >> andrew > >> > > > > -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://www.enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. + ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- TIP 6: explain analyze is your friend |
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| Has it been resubmitted with issues attended to? If it has, I missed it. If not, why should someone else waste time on something so broken that it produced a stringified perl hashref on output? It should never have gone back in the queue IMNSHO. cheers andrew Bruce Momjian wrote: > Would someone review this. It is in the patches_hold queue: > > http://momjian.postgresql.org/cgi-bin/pgpatches_hold > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Andrew Dunstan wrote: > >> I think it has to wait to 8.3. It's a complete mess that was submitted >> unheralded at the last moment. Pavel needs to get into the habit of >> submitting ideas first, not just patches. And there must be proper >> documentation and working regression tests. >> >> cheers >> >> andrew >> >> Bruce Momjian wrote: >> >>> Uh, were are we in fixing/reviewing this? >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Andrew Dunstan wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Pavel Stehule wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hello, >>>>>> >>>>>> I send two small patches. First does conversion from perl to >>>>>> postgresql array in OUT parameters. Second patch allow hash form >>>>>> output from procedures with one OUT argument. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> I will try to review these in the next 2 weeks unless someone beats me >>>>> to it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> I have reviewed this lightly, as committed by Bruce, and have some >>>> concerns. Unfortunately, the deathof my main workstation has cost me >>>> much of the time I intended to use for a more thorough review, so there >>>> may well be more issues than are outlined here. >>>> >>>> First, it is completely undocumented. >>>> >>>> Second, this comment is at best confusing: >>>> >>>> /* if value is ref on array do to pg string array conversion */ >>>> >>>> >>>> Third, it appears to assume that we will have names for all OUT params. But names are optional, as I understand it. Arguably, we should be treating the returns positionally, and thus return an arrayref when there are OYT params, not a hashref, and ignore the names - after all, all perl function args are nameless, in fact, even if you use a naming convention to refer to them. >>>> >>>> Fourth, I don't understand the change: "allow hash form output from procedures with one OUT argument." That seems very non-orthogonal, and I can't see any good reason for it. >>>> >>>> Lastly, if you look at the expected output as committed,it appears to have been prepared without being actually examined, for example: >>>> >>>> >>>> CREATE OR REPLACE FUNCTION test05(OUT a varchar) AS $$ >>>> return {a=>'ahoj'}; >>>> $$ LANGUAGE plperl; >>>> SELECT '05' AS i,a FROM test05(); >>>> i | a >>>> ----+----------------- >>>> 05 | HASH(0x8558f9c) >>>> (1 row) >>>> >>>> >>>> what??? >>>> >>>> And now that I look I see every buildfarm box broken on PLCheck. That's no surprise at all. >>>> >>>> >>>> The conversation regarding these features appears only to have started on July 28th, which was probably much too late given some of the issues. Unless we can solve these issues very fast I would be inclined to say this should be tabled for 8.3. I think this is a fairly good illustration of the danger of springing a feature, largely undiscussed, on the community just about freeze time. >>>> >>>> cheers >>>> >>>> andrew >>>> >>>> >>> >>> > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- TIP 1: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate subscribe-nomail command to majordomo@postgresql.org so that your message can get through to the mailing list cleanly |
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| Andrew Dunstan wrote: > > Has it been resubmitted with issues attended to? If it has, I missed it. > If not, why should someone else waste time on something so broken that > it produced a stringified perl hashref on output? It should never have > gone back in the queue IMNSHO. Fine, removed. I don't understand Perl well enough to judge that. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > cheers > > andrew > > Bruce Momjian wrote: > > Would someone review this. It is in the patches_hold queue: > > > > http://momjian.postgresql.org/cgi-bin/pgpatches_hold > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Andrew Dunstan wrote: > > > >> I think it has to wait to 8.3. It's a complete mess that was submitted > >> unheralded at the last moment. Pavel needs to get into the habit of > >> submitting ideas first, not just patches. And there must be proper > >> documentation and working regression tests. > >> > >> cheers > >> > >> andrew > >> > >> Bruce Momjian wrote: > >> > >>> Uh, were are we in fixing/reviewing this? > >>> > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> > >>> Andrew Dunstan wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> I wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Pavel Stehule wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> Hello, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I send two small patches. First does conversion from perl to > >>>>>> postgresql array in OUT parameters. Second patch allow hash form > >>>>>> output from procedures with one OUT argument. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> I will try to review these in the next 2 weeks unless someone beats me > >>>>> to it. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> I have reviewed this lightly, as committed by Bruce, and have some > >>>> concerns. Unfortunately, the deathof my main workstation has cost me > >>>> much of the time I intended to use for a more thorough review, so there > >>>> may well be more issues than are outlined here. > >>>> > >>>> First, it is completely undocumented. > >>>> > >>>> Second, this comment is at best confusing: > >>>> > >>>> /* if value is ref on array do to pg string array conversion */ > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Third, it appears to assume that we will have names for all OUT params. But names are optional, as I understand it. Arguably, we should be treating the returns positionally, and thus return an arrayref when there are OYT params, not a hashref, and ignore the names - after all, all perl function args are nameless, in fact, even if you use a naming convention to refer to them. > >>>> > >>>> Fourth, I don't understand the change: "allow hash form output from procedures with one OUT argument." That seems very non-orthogonal, and I can't see any good reason for it. > >>>> > >>>> Lastly, if you look at the expected output as committed,it appears to have been prepared without being actually examined, for example: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> CREATE OR REPLACE FUNCTION test05(OUT a varchar) AS $$ > >>>> return {a=>'ahoj'}; > >>>> $$ LANGUAGE plperl; > >>>> SELECT '05' AS i,a FROM test05(); > >>>> i | a > >>>> ----+----------------- > >>>> 05 | HASH(0x8558f9c) > >>>> (1 row) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> what??? > >>>> > >>>> And now that I look I see every buildfarm box broken on PLCheck. That's no surprise at all. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> The conversation regarding these features appears only to have started on July 28th, which was probably much too late given some of the issues. Unless we can solve these issues very fast I would be inclined to say this should be tabled for 8.3. I think this is a fairly good illustration of the danger of springing a feature, largely undiscussed, on the community just about freeze time. > >>>> > >>>> cheers > >>>> > >>>> andrew > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > > > > > > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 1: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate > subscribe-nomail command to majordomo@postgresql.org so that your > message can get through to the mailing list cleanly -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://www.enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. + ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- TIP 1: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate subscribe-nomail command to majordomo@postgresql.org so that your message can get through to the mailing list cleanly |
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