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I just had an interesting experience - a task I had was about 67x faster
under Solaris than when I'd previously run it under SuSE Linux.

I keep backups in a format I call .cgz - compressed cpio.

I have such a backup that's about 6gig of uncompressed data.

I wanted to expand it from the DVD it's on onto a new USB drive I have.

It just took 36 hours to run the command:

gzip -cd /media/K3something-or-other | cpio -icvd usb-dir

I don't recall that creating the backup took overnight, but extracting it
certainly did.

Just on a hunch, I ran the restore on the Solaris system I just set up on
the USB drive. It took about 32 minutes.

You can't believe what a joy it was to see the DVD light on solid, rather
than the stumbling sometimes on, sometimes off that happened under Linux.


Some details to the task/test:

The Linux test was from my desktop which has SuSE 10 running on an
approximately 1GHz cpu and about 256 MB memory.

The Solaris (10) test was from my laptop with about a 1 GHz cpu and about
512 MB memory.

I also have Linux on my USB disk (which is much less graceful than the
Solaris instance, because I haven't gone through the trouble of creating
an initrd file for it yet, so I have to boot Linux by first starting a CD
install and then aborting it. Solaris doesn't seem to have any special
problem booting from the USB disk (except for the day I lost because it
never occurred to me that it matters what USB socket you plug it into!!))


In an attempt to isolate things a bit - frustrated and angry after the 36
hour wait - and before I tried with Solaris - I did the decompress first
and then ran the cpio separately under Linux booted from the USB onto my
laptop. Maybe it was something about my desktop configuration.

Unfortunately, I didn't get the time data, because after again about 36
hours of chugging away, the job descended into a hang and had to be power
cycled.


Doing the separate copy and decompress from the DVD to the USB (executed
on the desktop):


06/sdb6/tmp>dc
4k
2756697578 99 60*39+/p
461063.3179
1024/p
450.2571

450K bytes/sec! Instead of 480M bytes/sec!


So, everything is slow!

For me, there's no question anymore - now that Solaris is open source - or
source-available or whatever you want to call it - I'm ready to put up
with the hardships of changing.

asstroturfer unix_fan wrote on behalf of micoshaft corporation:

> 450K bytes/sec! Instead of 480M bytes/sec!


TROLL!!!

After takin' a swig o' grog, unix_fan belched out this bit o' wisdom:

> You can't believe what a joy it was to see the DVD light on solid, rather
> than the stumbling sometimes on, sometimes off that happened under Linux.

Hey, here's a guy who glories in small data buffers!

> Some details to the task/test:
>
> The Linux test was from my desktop which has SuSE 10 running on an
> approximately 1GHz cpu and about 256 MB memory.

Ha aha hah ha ha !

> The Solaris (10) test was from my laptop with about a 1 GHz cpu and about
> 512 MB memory.

> I also have Linux on my USB disk (which is much less graceful than the
> Solaris instance, because I haven't gone through the trouble of creating
> an initrd file for it yet, so I have to boot Linux by first starting a CD
> install and then aborting it. Solaris doesn't seem to have any special
> problem booting from the USB disk (except for the day I lost because it
> never occurred to me that it matters what USB socket you plug it into!!))

Nor does he know how to rebuild a kernel with his USB disk support
included at boot time.

> In an attempt to isolate things a bit - frustrated and angry after the 36
> hour wait - and before I tried with Solaris - I did the decompress first
> and then ran the cpio separately under Linux booted from the USB onto my
> laptop. Maybe it was something about my desktop configuration.
>
> Unfortunately, I didn't get the time data, because after again about 36
> hours of chugging away, the job descended into a hang and had to be power
> cycled.

This is about the biggest load of bullshit I've ever heard a troll
state.

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On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 09:13:13 -0500, Linonut wrote:

> After takin' a swig o' grog, unix_fan belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> You can't believe what a joy it was to see the DVD light on solid, rather
>> than the stumbling sometimes on, sometimes off that happened under Linux.
>
> Hey, here's a guy who glories in small data buffers!


Right, good point. I'm comparing out-of-the-box installations.
It could be that Linux could be improved by proper configuration.

I am going on the naive assumption that "tuning" implies
trade-offs and the set selected by the distribution team
is the best compromise.

After takin' a swig o' grog, unix_fan belched out this bit o' wisdom:

> On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 09:13:13 -0500, Linonut wrote:
>
>> After takin' a swig o' grog, unix_fan belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>>
>>> You can't believe what a joy it was to see the DVD light on solid, rather
>>> than the stumbling sometimes on, sometimes off that happened under Linux.
>>
>> Hey, here's a guy who glories in small data buffers!
>
> Right, good point. I'm comparing out-of-the-box installations.
> It could be that Linux could be improved by proper configuration.
>
> I am going on the naive assumption that "tuning" implies
> trade-offs and the set selected by the distribution team
> is the best compromise.

If your data isn't a pure conjure from your nether orifice, you've
seriously screwed up your Linux system.

TROLLING TIP

A good troll requires that the material be on the edge
of believability.

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On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 12:59:40 +0100,
unix_fan <tmellman@web.de> wrote:
> I just had an interesting experience - a task I had was about 67x faster
> under Solaris than when I'd previously run it under SuSE Linux.
>
> I keep backups in a format I call .cgz - compressed cpio.
>
> I have such a backup that's about 6gig of uncompressed data.
>
> I wanted to expand it from the DVD it's on onto a new USB drive I have.
>
> It just took 36 hours to run the command:
>
> gzip -cd /media/K3something-or-other | cpio -icvd usb-dir
>
> I don't recall that creating the backup took overnight, but extracting it
> certainly did.
>
> Just on a hunch, I ran the restore on the Solaris system I just set up on
> the USB drive. It took about 32 minutes.
>
> You can't believe what a joy it was to see the DVD light on solid, rather
> than the stumbling sometimes on, sometimes off that happened under Linux.
>
>
> Some details to the task/test:
>
> The Linux test was from my desktop which has SuSE 10 running on an
> approximately 1GHz cpu and about 256 MB memory.
>
> The Solaris (10) test was from my laptop with about a 1 GHz cpu and about
> 512 MB memory.
>

Are they both USB2.0 devices?

Some desktops have USB1.1 ports for slow things like keyboards, and
USB2.0 for faster things like disks.

Check also that the port is connected to the drive in USB2.0 mode, it's
possible that the older driver was loaded perhaps.

> I also have Linux on my USB disk (which is much less graceful than the
> Solaris instance, because I haven't gone through the trouble of creating
> an initrd file for it yet, so I have to boot Linux by first starting a CD
> install and then aborting it. Solaris doesn't seem to have any special
> problem booting from the USB disk (except for the day I lost because it
> never occurred to me that it matters what USB socket you plug it into!!))
>
>

I boot a linux system from a 512MB keydrive. Works great.

> In an attempt to isolate things a bit - frustrated and angry after the 36
> hour wait - and before I tried with Solaris - I did the decompress first
> and then ran the cpio separately under Linux booted from the USB onto my
> laptop. Maybe it was something about my desktop configuration.
>
> Unfortunately, I didn't get the time data, because after again about 36
> hours of chugging away, the job descended into a hang and had to be power
> cycled.
>
>
> Doing the separate copy and decompress from the DVD to the USB (executed
> on the desktop):
>
>
> 06/sdb6/tmp>dc
> 4k
> 2756697578 99 60*39+/p
> 461063.3179
> 1024/p
> 450.2571
>
> 450K bytes/sec! Instead of 480M bytes/sec!
>
>
> So, everything is slow!
>
> For me, there's no question anymore - now that Solaris is open source - or
> source-available or whatever you want to call it - I'm ready to put up
> with the hardships of changing.
>

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In comp.os.linux.misc unix_fan <tmellman@web.de> wrote:
> I just had an interesting experience - a task I had was about 67x faster
> under Solaris than when I'd previously run it under SuSE Linux.
>
> I keep backups in a format I call .cgz - compressed cpio.
>
> I have such a backup that's about 6gig of uncompressed data.
>
> I wanted to expand it from the DVD it's on onto a new USB drive I have.
>
> It just took 36 hours to run the command:
>
> gzip -cd /media/K3something-or-other | cpio -icvd usb-dir
>
> I don't recall that creating the backup took overnight, but extracting it
> certainly did.
>
> Just on a hunch, I ran the restore on the Solaris system I just set up on
> the USB drive. It took about 32 minutes.
>
> You can't believe what a joy it was to see the DVD light on solid, rather
> than the stumbling sometimes on, sometimes off that happened under Linux.
>
>
> Some details to the task/test:
>
> The Linux test was from my desktop which has SuSE 10 running on an
> approximately 1GHz cpu and about 256 MB memory.

Try another distro - I would recommend Troll Linux for your needs. It
has blindingly fast USB transfer speeds.

--
Stephen Chadfield

Stephen Chadfield wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.misc unix_fan <tmellman@web.de> wrote:
>> I just had an interesting experience - a task I had was about 67x faster
>> under Solaris than when I'd previously run it under SuSE Linux.
>>
>> I keep backups in a format I call .cgz - compressed cpio.
>>
>> I have such a backup that's about 6gig of uncompressed data.
>>
>> I wanted to expand it from the DVD it's on onto a new USB drive I have.
>>
>> It just took 36 hours to run the command:
>>
>> gzip -cd /media/K3something-or-other | cpio -icvd usb-dir
>>
>> I don't recall that creating the backup took overnight, but extracting it
>> certainly did.
>>
>> Just on a hunch, I ran the restore on the Solaris system I just set up on
>> the USB drive. It took about 32 minutes.
>>
>> You can't believe what a joy it was to see the DVD light on solid, rather
>> than the stumbling sometimes on, sometimes off that happened under Linux.
>>
>>
>> Some details to the task/test:
>>
>> The Linux test was from my desktop which has SuSE 10 running on an
>> approximately 1GHz cpu and about 256 MB memory.
>
> Try another distro - I would recommend Troll Linux for your needs. It
> has blindingly fast USB transfer speeds.
>

Just a small point: trolls often have difficulty with English. Something
that is '67 times faster' would be '68 times as fast'. Trolls get
confused & fail to make distinctions.

The only test that is worth considering is one in which all those things
that can be configured have been set to the same value. This is not
'tuning'; it is ensuring that you compare like with like. You could run
openSUSE on a mainframe & Solaris on a desktop - but what would the
point of the comparision be?

Jethro came up with this when s/he headbutted the keyboard a moment ago in
comp.os.linux.advocacy:

> Stephen Chadfield wrote:
>> In comp.os.linux.misc unix_fan <tmellman@web.de> wrote:
>>> I just had an interesting experience - a task I had was about 67x faster
>>> under Solaris than when I'd previously run it under SuSE Linux.
>>>
>>> I keep backups in a format I call .cgz - compressed cpio.
>>>
>>> I have such a backup that's about 6gig of uncompressed data.
>>>
>>> I wanted to expand it from the DVD it's on onto a new USB drive I have.
>>>
>>> It just took 36 hours to run the command:
>>>
>>> gzip -cd /media/K3something-or-other | cpio -icvd usb-dir
>>>
>>> I don't recall that creating the backup took overnight, but extracting
it
>>> certainly did.
>>>
>>> Just on a hunch, I ran the restore on the Solaris system I just set up
on
>>> the USB drive. It took about 32 minutes.
>>>
>>> You can't believe what a joy it was to see the DVD light on solid,
rather
>>> than the stumbling sometimes on, sometimes off that happened under
Linux.
>>>
>>>
>>> Some details to the task/test:
>>>
>>> The Linux test was from my desktop which has SuSE 10 running on an
>>> approximately 1GHz cpu and about 256 MB memory.
>>
>> Try another distro - I would recommend Troll Linux for your needs. It
>> has blindingly fast USB transfer speeds.
>>
>
> Just a small point: trolls often have difficulty with English. Something
> that is '67 times faster' would be '68 times as fast'. Trolls get
> confused & fail to make distinctions.
>
> The only test that is worth considering is one in which all those things
> that can be configured have been set to the same value. This is not
> 'tuning'; it is ensuring that you compare like with like. You could run
> openSUSE on a mainframe & Solaris on a desktop - but what would the
> point of the comparision be?

or, as a certain company is likened to do, run NT 5.1.2600SP3 on a quad Xeon
with 4GB of RAM and GNU/Linux/2.4 on a 486DX/33 with 8MB and call that a
fair test...

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After serious contemplation, on or about Monday 19 March 2007 6:29 am
Jethro perhaps from striderjl@aragorn.net wrote:

> Stephen Chadfield wrote:
>> In comp.os.linux.misc unix_fan <tmellman@web.de> wrote:
>>> I just had an interesting experience - a task I had was about 67x
>>> faster under Solaris than when I'd previously run it under SuSE
>>> Linux.
>>>
>>> I keep backups in a format I call .cgz - compressed cpio.
>>>
>>> I have such a backup that's about 6gig of uncompressed data.
>>>
>>> I wanted to expand it from the DVD it's on onto a new USB drive I
>>> have.
>>>
>>> It just took 36 hours to run the command:
>>>
>>> gzip -cd /media/K3something-or-other | cpio -icvd usb-dir
>>>
>>> I don't recall that creating the backup took overnight, but
>>> extracting it certainly did.
>>>
>>> Just on a hunch, I ran the restore on the Solaris system I just set
>>> up on
>>> the USB drive. It took about 32 minutes.
>>>
>>> You can't believe what a joy it was to see the DVD light on solid,
>>> rather than the stumbling sometimes on, sometimes off that happened
>>> under Linux.
>>>
>>>
>>> Some details to the task/test:
>>>
>>> The Linux test was from my desktop which has SuSE 10 running on an
>>> approximately 1GHz cpu and about 256 MB memory.
>>
>> Try another distro - I would recommend Troll Linux for your needs. It
>> has blindingly fast USB transfer speeds.
>>
>
> Just a small point: trolls often have difficulty with English.
> Something that is '67 times faster' would be '68 times as fast'.
> Trolls get confused & fail to make distinctions.
>
> The only test that is worth considering is one in which all those
> things that can be configured have been set to the same value. This is
> not 'tuning'; it is ensuring that you compare like with like. You
> could run openSUSE on a mainframe & Solaris on a desktop - but what
> would the point of the comparision be?

And if he could run openSuse on a Playstation 3 with its 8 cores (seven
of them available) why one might have to raise that blinding speed to
the power of googleplex or more.

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