Dunno if anyone's noticed but it's up in Sun's download section.

Supposedly a beta, looks more like 3.1 with patches and the Sunray
Connector aka rdesktop and the 'Sun Desktop Manager' which looks like
Gnome config tool with knobs on.

Installing at the office remotely this weekend, will post back!

Steve

Steve wrote:
> Dunno if anyone's noticed but it's up in Sun's download section.
>
> Supposedly a beta, looks more like 3.1 with patches and the Sunray
> Connector aka rdesktop and the 'Sun Desktop Manager' which looks like
> Gnome config tool with knobs on.

It's not "Sunray Server 4", it's "Sun Ray Software 4".
This is purely a Marketing exercise. It puts some closely
related pieces of software into a single download image.
(Except that one of those pieces isn't closely related to
the others. Like I said, this is a Marketing exercise,
it doesn't have to make sense.) One of those pieces of
software is the current (3.1) release of "Sun Ray Server
Software".

Yes, that's right, "Sun Ray Software 4" contains "Sun Ray
Server Software 3.1". And that's supposed to be the, errr,
"pattern" for future releases.

Making it easy to download related pieces of software is
not a bad thing but the name they've given this collection
must place number two in the list of all-time boneheaded
naming choices perpetrated by Sun Marketing, just behind
using "Ultra NN" naming for Opteron machines. Whether you
laugh or cry depends on how close you are to being involved
in deploying or supporting Sun Ray.

OttoM.
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ottomeister@mail.com writes:

....
>Making it easy to download related pieces of software is
>not a bad thing but the name they've given this collection
>must place number two in the list of all-time boneheaded
>naming choices perpetrated by Sun Marketing, just behind
>using "Ultra NN" naming for Opteron machines. Whether you
>laugh or cry depends on how close you are to being involved
>in deploying or supporting Sun Ray.

It follows the long time traditions of Sun Marketing (the boss
of that division *must* be a devoted follower of some religion
that tries to increase the amount of confusion in the world!)

I mean, there is a *long* list nowadays:

* Hey! Let's rename our operating system to... Solaris 2.0 instead
of SunOS 5.0.

* Hey! Let's get rid of the leading "2." prefix!

* Hey! Let's call our new PC workstations "Java Workstations"!
(what? no Java inside? Doesn't matter! (Where did the JavaStation go?)

* Hey! Let's call our GNOME distribution "Java Desktop"
(what? no Java inside? Doesn't matter!)

* Hey! Let's call our compiler suite "SPARCCompilers", no - "Workshop",
no - "Forte", no - "Sun One", no - "Studio"! (Hmm where's the Java?)

* Hey! I've got a great idea for an name for a Workstation: "Sun Blade".
(And let's call our Blade server - "Sun Fire"

* Hey! I've got an even better idea for a brand new name for our PC workstation!
Let's call them Ultras!

* Oups! We got a new SPARC workstation? Oh - lets call it an Ultra too!

I'm sure I've forgot many other examples...

- Peter
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Peter Eriksson wrote:
> ottomeister@mail.com writes:
>
> ...
>
>>Making it easy to download related pieces of software is
>>not a bad thing but the name they've given this collection
>>must place number two in the list of all-time boneheaded
>>naming choices perpetrated by Sun Marketing, just behind
>>using "Ultra NN" naming for Opteron machines. Whether you
>>laugh or cry depends on how close you are to being involved
>>in deploying or supporting Sun Ray.
>
>
> It follows the long time traditions of Sun Marketing (the boss
> of that division *must* be a devoted follower of some religion
> that tries to increase the amount of confusion in the world!)
>
> I mean, there is a *long* list nowadays:
>
> * Hey! Let's rename our operating system to... Solaris 2.0 instead
> of SunOS 5.0.
>
> * Hey! Let's get rid of the leading "2." prefix!
>
> * Hey! Let's call our new PC workstations "Java Workstations"!
> (what? no Java inside? Doesn't matter! (Where did the JavaStation go?)
>
> * Hey! Let's call our GNOME distribution "Java Desktop"
> (what? no Java inside? Doesn't matter!)
>
> * Hey! Let's call our compiler suite "SPARCCompilers", no - "Workshop",
> no - "Forte", no - "Sun One", no - "Studio"! (Hmm where's the Java?)
>
> * Hey! I've got a great idea for an name for a Workstation: "Sun Blade".
> (And let's call our Blade server - "Sun Fire"
>
> * Hey! I've got an even better idea for a brand new name for our PC workstation!
> Let's call them Ultras!
>
> * Oups! We got a new SPARC workstation? Oh - lets call it an Ultra too!
>
> I'm sure I've forgot many other examples...
>
> - Peter

Javacard is a good one? Java on a card - how does it boot?

Steve

Steve <stek1961@nospam.mac.com> wrote:
> Javacard is a good one? Java on a card - how does it boot?

You might wait to go and have a read of
http://java.sun.com/products/javacard/

Javacard _do_ actually contain/run Java apps.

Scott.

Well, I'll agree that the whole "Ultra" re-use thing is sort of stupid.
But there are very logical reasons behind the SunOS-vs-Solaris
nomenclature. It has been discussed ad nauseum before...

Oh, and the "Java-everything" trend is sort of stupid. It should only
apply when Java is a fundamental piece of the technology (e.g.
Javacard, JES, etc.).

You know, I really have no idea where the Blade name came from. What
was that supposed to mean? It's obviously not a blade server. Oh
well...

I wrote:

> * Hey! Let's call our compiler suite "SPARCCompilers", no - "Workshop",
> no - "Forte", no - "Sun One", no - "Studio"! (Hmm where's the Java?)

I knew I forgot one - there was a "DevPro" also once upon a time.

Anyone interested on betting on the next name? What might it be...

Hmm.. "Ultra Suite" perhaps?

- Peter
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"Peter Eriksson" <peter@ifm.liu.se> wrote:
> * Hey! Let's call our compiler suite "SPARCCompilers", no - "Workshop",
> no - "Forte", no - "Sun One", no - "Studio"! (Hmm where's the Java?)

There is both "Sun Studio" (the compilers and related tools)
and "Sun Java Studio" (nowadays called "Sun Java Studio Enterprise").
I assume thats the reason there is no "Java" in "Sun Studio".


Thomas

In article <1145284927.028102.130220@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups .com>,
<chassoto@gmail.com> wrote:

>You know, I really have no idea where the Blade name came from. What
>was that supposed to mean? It's obviously not a blade server. Oh
>well...

I guess someone over there heard you as there is a "Sun Blade 8000" in
Solaris 10 u 2 support. I guess it is the rumored new blade server after all.

Fredrik



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dol@lunatic. () writes in comp.sys.sun.admin:
|I guess someone over there heard you as there is a "Sun Blade 8000" in
|Solaris 10 u 2 support. I guess it is the rumored new blade server after all.

http://www.sun.com/servers/blades/8000/index.jsp

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