From: emailer@iiug.org
> IDS 10 - IBM's flagship database for pure OLTP and Industrial-strength,
> embedded computing
>
>We have been hearing it from IBM management in conferences and Informix
>Infobahns. Now you can read it in the IBM Web site:
>
>http://www-306.ibm.com/software/data/informix/ids10/

Why do I get this crazy feeling of the left hand not knowing what the
right hand is doing?

?

--
Bye now,
Obnoxio

"C'est pas parce qu'on n'a rien à dire qu'il faut fermer sa gueule"
- Coluche

did i mention i like nulls? heck, i even go so far as to say that all
columns in a table except the primary key could/should be nullable. this
has certain advantages, for example, if you need to insert a child record
and you don't have a parent row for it, just do an insert into the parent
table with the primary key value (everything else null), and voila,
relational integrity is preserved. but this is, admittedly, a bit
controversial among modellers.

--r937, dbforums.com

Obnoxio The Clown wrote:

> From: emailer@iiug.org
>> IDS 10 - IBM's flagship database for pure OLTP and Industrial-strength,
>> embedded computing
>>
>>We have been hearing it from IBM management in conferences and Informix
>>Infobahns. Now you can read it in the IBM Web site:
>>
>>http://www-306.ibm.com/software/data/informix/ids10/
>
> Why do I get this crazy feeling of the left hand not knowing what the
> right hand is doing?
>
> ?
>
This is really unbelievable and emphasizes the amateurish
behaviour of the Informix (product) marketing department.

Not even thinking about the consequences of removing the flagship
message from the website over night, silently and stealthy.
Directing the IIUG and other Informix followers in a
distressing situation, because they communicated this message
to the customers and the customers will not be able to find
it anymore.
Not being able to find any arguments for the mangagement why
it might be an unwise decision to retreat the flagship message.
Just working brain-dead, executing commands without resistance,
like terminators on their way to kill Informix.
dolefully, dolefully...

The flagshop message was one of the few positive, encouraging
messages received about Informix in a couple of years of
impressive marketing work.

Folks, take a look at the following URL if you want to see
the original flagship message mentioned in the IIUG
newsletter:

http://www.herber-consulting.de/cgi-bin/IfxMarkReq.pl

Why is the old, 'flagship' message still on my website ?

Because there are several development teams working on my
website and it will take a couple of months and hard work
to update this part the website. Same problem like IBM
seems to have with the "DB2 Information management graphic" -

Seriously, I encourage any Informix user to think about
fancy and reasonable marketing requests and sending me
an email message (eric@herber-consulting.de) with a
short description of the request and why it would make sense.
Tell me if you want me to publish them anonymous, no problem.

I already received some constructive requests and encouraging
emails, but their might be more ideas around.
Take 5 minutes of your time, think about it and send
me an email, even if your favorite request is already listed.
Tell me you opinion. This will give me a clue how to priotorize
the requests.

Believe me, I will not rest until we get some satisfactory,
authoritative responses directly from IBM management on our
requests.

Let's fight this probably last battle together.
Thank you for your support.

Eric
--
Waiting for the marketing terminators, are their batteries
currently being recharged ?

Obnoxio The Clown said
>Why do I get this crazy feeling of the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing?

It is IBM. So, the right hand is actually trying to hack off the left
hand so it can use it to strangle the right. Don't you understand
business at all?

Eric,
Many years ago, in the days of King Roger, a small database company
decided to expand into new territories a long way over the horizon,
even over the pond beyond the horizon. They appointed a few
individuals in these territories and set them to work.

But then the marketeers got hold of the idea and decided it would be a
good idea to invite all users of their database to a conference in
Central London. They booked a room for 8am and arranged for coffee and
donuts for about 30 people in the centre of the City of London. (even
in those days the marketeers didn't understand the non-californian
customer base.) And then, like all good marketeers, they left leaving
the few individuals to entertain the few people who were likely to turn
up.

Now there were in the same country two shepherds who were going to tend
the flock. These shepherds had just been over to the headquarters of
the database company and had returned with good intentions to help the
users when problems occurred.

Lo and behold the time came to advertise the conference. And suddenly
all the bells in the office were ringing. The two shepherds were
inundated with people wanting to know about the conference.

And the moral of this story - nothing changes. The marketeers
advertise something and then leave the shepherds to pick up the pieces.


And IIUG are really just a bunch of enthusiastic shepherds trying to
tend the ever dwindling flock and protect them from the wolves. And
they are still being dropped in it by the marketeers.

Malcolm

Considering that they're a bunch of wankers, it would be fairly easy to
identify which hand is donig what!?

theusarools@hotmail.co.uk said:
>
> Considering that they're a bunch of wankers, it would be fairly easy to
> identify which hand is donig what!?

Not if you're ambidextrous.

--
Bye now,
Obnoxio

"C'est pas parce qu'on n'a rien à dire qu'il faut fermer sa gueule"
- Coluche

did i mention i like nulls? heck, i even go so far as to say that all
columns in a table except the primary key could/should be nullable. this
has certain advantages, for example, if you need to insert a child record
and you don't have a parent row for it, just do an insert into the parent
table with the primary key value (everything else null), and voila,
relational integrity is preserved. but this is, admittedly, a bit
controversial among modellers.

--r937, dbforums.com

"> Considering that they're a bunch of wankers, it would be fairly easy
to
> identify which hand is donig what!?

Not if you're ambidextrous. "

I was going to suggest that they may use both hands at the same time,
but then that might give the impression they have big cocks, which I'm
sure they don't. Maybe they use both in a 'skiing' manner, on each
other.

Mind you, if they were doing that, which hand would they have to pat
themsleves on the back for doing a job well done....? Snigger.