One thing that suddenly jumps out at me from this is: what on earth
happens after 2008? Presumably the pressure to move to DB2 or get out
could start within a couple of years of any code freeze - if 2008 ends
up being the date of the last update we could be looking at IDS being
desupporting as early as 2010. Maybe not that likely, but certainly
possible.

What kind of organisation is going to consider major new investment in
Informix with that kind of life expectancy? Upgrades, sure, small
systems, maybe, but big stuff?

Am I being too much a harbinger of doom or does the panel share these
fears?

Andy Kent

How many companies can give you their product plans beyond 2008?

2 years ago IBM were giving us plans for Informix development up to 2006.

Now its up to 2008.

I fully expect in 2 years it will be up to 2010.

andykent.bristol1095@virgin.net (Andy Kent) wrote in message news:<ac5fb36.0404080631.25bc7790@posting.google.c om>...
> One thing that suddenly jumps out at me from this is: what on earth
> happens after 2008? Presumably the pressure to move to DB2 or get out
> could start within a couple of years of any code freeze - if 2008 ends
> up being the date of the last update we could be looking at IDS being
> desupporting as early as 2010. Maybe not that likely, but certainly
> possible.
>
> What kind of organisation is going to consider major new investment in
> Informix with that kind of life expectancy? Upgrades, sure, small
> systems, maybe, but big stuff?
>
> Am I being too much a harbinger of doom or does the panel share these
> fears?
>
> Andy Kent

Where were you 5 years ago when your anger would have been useful?

"Andy Kent" <andykent.bristol1095@virgin.net> wrote in message news:ac5fb36.0404080631.25bc7790@posting.google.co m...
> One thing that suddenly jumps out at me from this is: what on earth
> happens after 2008? Presumably the pressure to move to DB2 or get out
> could start within a couple of years of any code freeze - if 2008 ends
> up being the date of the last update we could be looking at IDS being
> desupporting as early as 2010. Maybe not that likely, but certainly
> possible.
>
> What kind of organisation is going to consider major new investment in
> Informix with that kind of life expectancy? Upgrades, sure, small
> systems, maybe, but big stuff?
>
> Am I being too much a harbinger of doom or does the panel share these
> fears?
>
> Andy Kent

dryburghj@yahoo.com (scottishpoet) wrote in message news:<81714288.0404080919.56f35bc1@posting.google. com>...
> How many companies can give you their product plans beyond 2008?
>
> 2 years ago IBM were giving us plans for Informix development up to 2006.
>
> Now its up to 2008.
>
> I fully expect in 2 years it will be up to 2010.

Probably....

M.P.

>
> andykent.bristol1095@virgin.net (Andy Kent) wrote in message news:<ac5fb36.0404080631.25bc7790@posting.google.c om>...
> > One thing that suddenly jumps out at me from this is: what on earth
> > happens after 2008? Presumably the pressure to move to DB2 or get out
> > could start within a couple of years of any code freeze - if 2008 ends
> > up being the date of the last update we could be looking at IDS being
> > desupporting as early as 2010. Maybe not that likely, but certainly
> > possible.
> >
> > What kind of organisation is going to consider major new investment in
> > Informix with that kind of life expectancy? Upgrades, sure, small
> > systems, maybe, but big stuff?
> >
> > Am I being too much a harbinger of doom or does the panel share these
> > fears?
> >
> > Andy Kent

Don't know where you found anger in there. Pessimism, devil's advocacy
.... but anger? You're reading something that doesn't exist.

Why would anger have been useful five years ago?

Andy

"Data Goob" <datagoob@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<xGndc.15181$G.3654@fe09.usenetserver.com>...
> Where were you 5 years ago when your anger would have been useful?
>
> "Andy Kent" <andykent.bristol1095@virgin.net> wrote in message news:ac5fb36.0404080631.25bc7790@posting.google.co m...
> > One thing that suddenly jumps out at me from this is: what on earth
> > happens after 2008? Presumably the pressure to move to DB2 or get out
> > could start within a couple of years of any code freeze - if 2008 ends
> > up being the date of the last update we could be looking at IDS being
> > desupporting as early as 2010. Maybe not that likely, but certainly
> > possible.
> >
> > What kind of organisation is going to consider major new investment in
> > Informix with that kind of life expectancy? Upgrades, sure, small
> > systems, maybe, but big stuff?
> >
> > Am I being too much a harbinger of doom or does the panel share these
> > fears?
> >
> > Andy Kent

Andy Kent wrote:
> One thing that suddenly jumps out at me from this is: what on earth
> happens after 2008? Presumably the pressure to move to DB2 or get out
> could start within a couple of years of any code freeze - if 2008 ends
> up being the date of the last update we could be looking at IDS being
> desupporting as early as 2010. Maybe not that likely, but certainly
> possible.
>
> What kind of organisation is going to consider major new investment in
> Informix with that kind of life expectancy? Upgrades, sure, small
> systems, maybe, but big stuff?
>
> Am I being too much a harbinger of doom or does the panel share these
> fears?

The point that mustn't be missed is the ultimate goal to make the two
engines interchangable. If that's achieved, who cares whether it's IDS or
DB/2? Sure, the underlying architecture might be different, but if
functionality and performance are well matched, then IDS is definitely a
good investment for today. IDS will keep going and is backed by the largest
computer company in the world.

OK, they're still one of the Axis of Evil (IBM, Oracle, Microsoft) but how
easy is it to avoid their products these days?

In message <c5i5ed$20ndd$1@ID-79573.news.uni-berlin.de>, Andrew Hamm
<ahamm@mail.com> writes
>Andy Kent wrote:
>> One thing that suddenly jumps out at me from this is: what on earth
>> happens after 2008? Presumably the pressure to move to DB2 or get out
>> could start within a couple of years of any code freeze - if 2008 ends
>> up being the date of the last update we could be looking at IDS being
>> desupporting as early as 2010. Maybe not that likely, but certainly
>> possible.
>>
>> What kind of organisation is going to consider major new investment in
>> Informix with that kind of life expectancy? Upgrades, sure, small
>> systems, maybe, but big stuff?
>>
>> Am I being too much a harbinger of doom or does the panel share these
>> fears?
>
>The point that mustn't be missed is the ultimate goal to make the two
>engines interchangable. If that's achieved, who cares whether it's IDS or
>DB/2? Sure, the underlying architecture might be different, but if
>functionality and performance are well matched, then IDS is definitely a
>good investment for today. IDS will keep going and is backed by the largest
>computer company in the world.
>
>OK, they're still one of the Axis of Evil (IBM, Oracle, Microsoft) but how
>easy is it to avoid their products these days?

How desirable is it?
>
>

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Five Cats wrote:
> Andrew Hamm writes:
>>
>> OK, they're still one of the Axis of Evil (IBM, Oracle, Microsoft)
>> but how easy is it to avoid their products these days?
>
> How desirable is it?

If it's defective, crashes-5-times-a-day O/S and mail clients, then very
undesirable. I do confess to appreciating the very solid engineering of a
lot of IBM product.

Funny thing is, when I was a junior programmer, IBM was the evil empire that
would be slain by microprocessors, CP/M and MS-DOS 1 using MS-Pascal. Funny
how times change.

"Andrew Hamm" <ahamm@mail.com> wrote in message
news:c5ksva$2su0s$1@ID-79573.news.uni-berlin.de...

> Funny thing is, when I was a junior programmer, IBM was the evil empire
that
> would be slain by microprocessors, CP/M and MS-DOS 1 using MS-Pascal.
Funny
> how times change.

Yes, we all love IBM now.

Captain Pedantic wrote:
> "Andrew Hamm" <ahamm@mail.com> wrote in message
> news:c5ksva$2su0s$1@ID-79573.news.uni-berlin.de...
>
>> Funny thing is, when I was a junior programmer, IBM was the evil
>> empire that would be slain by microprocessors, CP/M and MS-DOS 1
>> using MS-Pascal. Funny how times change.
>
> Yes, we all love IBM now.

ummmm, yeerrrrrssssss......

I was thinking more along the lines that the upstart Microsoft has become an
evil empire all of it's own making.