The last of the database giants is adapting to the demands of all-you-can-eat,
no-money-down, open-source code, with IBM set to roll out a freebie DB2
version on Jan. 30.

DB2 Universal Database Express-C (Community Edition) will offer the same core
DB2 server, but in a smaller package, designed for application embedding as
well as software development, deployment and redistribution.

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1916097,00.asp
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Regards,

Graham Smith

Graham Smith wrote:
> The last of the database giants is adapting to the demands of all-you-can-eat,
> no-money-down, open-source code, with IBM set to roll out a freebie DB2
> version on Jan. 30.
>
> DB2 Universal Database Express-C (Community Edition) will offer the same core
> DB2 server, but in a smaller package, designed for application embedding as
> well as software development, deployment and redistribution.
>
> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1916097,00.asp

They scoffed when I suggested IDS go Open Source... guess it wasn't
so far off the mark now was it? A waste of time with MySQL...riiiiiiiiiiight!

"We're making DB2 more accessible to "the LAMP (Linux/Apache/MySQL/PHP-Perl)
community of users," Spang said. "This gets exciting as we update DB2 Express
later this year with the DB2 Viper update. It will include the industry's first
hybrid data server, serving both relational and nonrelational data structures.

Bye Bye Informix!

Double Echo said:
>
> They scoffed when I suggested IDS go Open Source... guess it wasn't
> so far off the mark now was it?

Could you please provide me with some of your prescription medication? I'm
struggling to follow your logic as I am unfortunately quite sober. Even
Bruichladdich isn't getting me far enough out of my mind.

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Bye now,
Obnoxio

"C'est pas parce qu'on n'a rien à dire qu'il faut fermer sa gueule"
- Coluche

did i mention i like nulls? heck, i even go so far as to say that all
columns in a table except the primary key could/should be nullable. this
has certain advantages, for example, if you need to insert a child record
and you don't have a parent row for it, just do an insert into the parent
table with the primary key value (everything else null), and voila,
relational integrity is preserved. but this is, admittedly, a bit
controversial among modellers.

--r937, dbforums.com

Obnoxio The Clown wrote:

> Could you please provide me with some of your prescription medication? I'm
> struggling to follow your logic as I am unfortunately quite sober. Even
> Bruichladdich isn't getting me far enough out of my mind.
>

Don't have any prescription medication, sorry. I suggested IDS go open
source, what, a couple of weeks ago, and here we see a DB2 product going
Open Source, _despite_ the many folks here who scoffed at the idea that a
commercial product, like a DB2 or an IDS would or could.

Double Echo said:
>
> Obnoxio The Clown wrote:
>
>> Could you please provide me with some of your prescription medication?
>> I'm
>> struggling to follow your logic as I am unfortunately quite sober. Even
>> Bruichladdich isn't getting me far enough out of my mind.
>>
>
> Don't have any prescription medication, sorry. I suggested IDS go open
> source, what, a couple of weeks ago, and here we see a DB2 product going
> Open Source, _despite_ the many folks here who scoffed at the idea that a
> commercial product, like a DB2 or an IDS would or could.

It's going Open Source? Where do you see that? There's an ENORMOUS
difference between "free license" and Open Source.

--
Bye now,
Obnoxio

"C'est pas parce qu'on n'a rien à dire qu'il faut fermer sa gueule"
- Coluche

did i mention i like nulls? heck, i even go so far as to say that all
columns in a table except the primary key could/should be nullable. this
has certain advantages, for example, if you need to insert a child record
and you don't have a parent row for it, just do an insert into the parent
table with the primary key value (everything else null), and voila,
relational integrity is preserved. but this is, admittedly, a bit
controversial among modellers.

--r937, dbforums.com

Obnoxio The Clown wrote:

>
> Double Echo said:
>>
>> Obnoxio The Clown wrote:
>>
>>> Could you please provide me with some of your prescription medication?
>>> I'm
>>> struggling to follow your logic as I am unfortunately quite sober. Even
>>> Bruichladdich isn't getting me far enough out of my mind.
>>>
>>
>> Don't have any prescription medication, sorry. I suggested IDS go open
>> source, what, a couple of weeks ago, and here we see a DB2 product going
>> Open Source, _despite_ the many folks here who scoffed at the idea that a
>> commercial product, like a DB2 or an IDS would or could.
>
> It's going Open Source? Where do you see that? There's an ENORMOUS
> difference between "free license" and Open Source.
>

I think that DoubleEcho means that IBM is trying to get
some mindfulness in the open source community. Positioning DB2
as alternative to mysql or postgres inside the open source stack
(linux apache, php/perl/python...).

However a real open source IDS, like they already have done with
cloudscape, would be a great chance for Informix to get some
market penetration back.

I'm not sure, but it looks like to me that in the next 1-2 years,
database vendors will not charge for their licenses anymore.
The Sun/Oracle announcement and the DB2 Express offer might be
first indications of a changing mindset.
Giving away the license for free and charging for support and
services.

Eric Herber said:
>
> However a real open source IDS, like they already have done with
> cloudscape, would be a great chance for Informix to get some
> market penetration back.

Why? To a business person, "free" means something, "open source" means
nothing. If IBM offered a free "IDS Express" that competed in the same
space, it would be the thing that would get IDS into the mix. To people
who have a vision about how IT could be, Open Source means something. To
someone running a business, it means nothing.

The only reason there has been any acceptance of open source in the
business community is the sticker price. And once you factor in the
outrageous support contract prices from people offering commercial
support, it's often cheaper to buy a commercial product.

TANSTAAFL: the sticker price of commercial software helps subsidise the
support costs.

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Bye now,
Obnoxio

"C'est pas parce qu'on n'a rien à dire qu'il faut fermer sa gueule"
- Coluche

did i mention i like nulls? heck, i even go so far as to say that all
columns in a table except the primary key could/should be nullable. this
has certain advantages, for example, if you need to insert a child record
and you don't have a parent row for it, just do an insert into the parent
table with the primary key value (everything else null), and voila,
relational integrity is preserved. but this is, admittedly, a bit
controversial among modellers.

--r937, dbforums.com

I know we all rag on the jet-setting, in-IBM's-pocket IIUG ass all the
time, so for the sake of balance, I'd like to say thanks to them for a job
very well done on the new mail servers, which seem to be a LOT faster and
so far, more reliable.

Thanks!

--
Bye now,
Obnoxio

"C'est pas parce qu'on n'a rien à dire qu'il faut fermer sa gueule"
- Coluche

did i mention i like nulls? heck, i even go so far as to say that all
columns in a table except the primary key could/should be nullable. this
has certain advantages, for example, if you need to insert a child record
and you don't have a parent row for it, just do an insert into the parent
table with the primary key value (everything else null), and voila,
relational integrity is preserved. but this is, admittedly, a bit
controversial among modellers.

--r937, dbforums.com

Obnoxio The Clown wrote:
> Double Echo said:
>
>>Obnoxio The Clown wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Could you please provide me with some of your prescription medication?
>>>I'm
>>>struggling to follow your logic as I am unfortunately quite sober. Even
>>>Bruichladdich isn't getting me far enough out of my mind.
>>>
>>
>>Don't have any prescription medication, sorry. I suggested IDS go open
>>source, what, a couple of weeks ago, and here we see a DB2 product going
>>Open Source, _despite_ the many folks here who scoffed at the idea that a
>>commercial product, like a DB2 or an IDS would or could.
>
>
> It's going Open Source? Where do you see that? There's an ENORMOUS
> difference between "free license" and Open Source.
>

You're right! I meant free.

:0)

I was so happy to see this my pen broke.

Obnoxio The Clown wrote:
> I know we all rag on the jet-setting, in-IBM's-pocket IIUG ass all the
> time, so for the sake of balance, I'd like to say thanks to them for a job
> very well done on the new mail servers, which seem to be a LOT faster and
> so far, more reliable.
>
> Thanks!
>

Did you shag the cow?