Well, strictly speaking I mainly regurgitated what was on the press release, but hope to add some more during the day..

Note the link in the press release will be going live very shortly (it should be already but....)

Guy

----- Original Message ----
From: Mark Jamison <majp51@yahoo.com>
To: informix-list@iiug.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 10:53:54 AM
Subject: Re: Anybody seen a very fast wild cat out there?

Check out Guy Bowerman's blog for additional information

http://www-03.ibm.com/developerworks...page/gbowerman




----- Original Message ----
From: Neil Truby <neil.truby@ardenta.com>
To: informix-list@iiug.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 12:47:04 PM
Subject: Re: Anybody seen a very fast wild cat out there?

>> "Mark Jamison" <majp51@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:mailman.200.1171478114.10648.informix-list@iiug.org...
>> Speaking of which, check out:

>> http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release...ease_id=215466

Well, that looks good, doesn't it? We're all on IBM's case to publicise IDS
more, and there you go!

I don't quite understand the proposition: is it that you will be able to buy
an IBM x3105 pre-installed with SuSE Ent Linux and IDS11 (presumably
Express) as an all-in bundle for substantially less thanit would cost to
buy the 3 individual components?

Let's hear more of this sort of thing from senior IBMers too: "The IDS data
server provides an environment with low administration needs, which in turn
lowers the total cost of ownership ...." said Arvind Krishna, vice president
IBMdata servers (?)

(although he did then rather spoil it by lapsing into IBM-speak by adding "
... and frees up DBAs to focus more attention ontheir overall
Information
on Demand strategy.")

I think this isvery positive. Bring it On!



_______________________________________________
Informix-list mailing list
Informix-list@iiug.org
http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list





_______________________________________________
Informix-list mailing list
Informix-list@iiug.org
http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list








__________________________________________________ __________________________________
Finding fabulous fares is fun.
Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains.
http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097

Is this going to be yet another crippled fucked up release or is it going to
be a production-ready release?

I'm tired of waiting for a real IDS download instead of crippled crap.

-t-

Guy . wrote:
> Well, strictly speaking I mainly regurgitated what was on the press
> release, but hope to add some more during the day..
>
> Note the link in the press release will be going live very shortly (it
> should be already but....)
>
> Guy
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Mark Jamison <majp51@yahoo.com>
> To: informix-list@iiug.org
> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 10:53:54 AM
> Subject: Re: Anybody seen a very fast wild cat out there?
>
> Check out Guy Bowerman's blog for additional information
>
> http://www-03.ibm.com/developerworks...page/gbowerman
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Neil Truby <neil.truby@ardenta.com>
> To: informix-list@iiug.org
> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 12:47:04 PM
> Subject: Re: Anybody seen a very fast wild cat out there?
>
> >> "Mark Jamison" <majp51@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:mailman.200.1171478114.10648.informix-list@iiug.org...
> >> Speaking of which, check out:
> >> http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release...ease_id=215466
>
> Well, that looks good, doesn't it? We're all on IBM's case to publicise
> IDS
> more, and there you go!
>
> I don't quite understand the proposition: is it that you will be able to
> buy
> an IBM x3105 pre-installed with SuSE Ent Linux and IDS 11 (presumably
> Express) as an all-in bundle for substantially less than it would cost to
> buy the 3 individual components?
>
> Let's hear more of this sort of thing from senior IBMers too: "The IDS data
> server provides an environment with low administration needs, which in turn
> lowers the total cost of ownership ...." said Arvind Krishna, vice
> president
> IBM data servers (?)
>
> (although he did then rather spoil it by lapsing into IBM-speak by adding "
> ... and frees up DBAs to focus more attention on their overall Information
> on Demand strategy.")
>
> I think this is very positive. Bring it On!
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Informix-list mailing list
> Informix-list@iiug.org
> http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> Informix-list mailing list
> Informix-list@iiug.org
> http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Sucker-punch spam <
> http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49981/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html>
> with award-winning protection.
> Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. <
> http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49981/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html>

--
*
* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVS3k...elated&search=
*
* I am a shill for open systems and open software.
*
* I solved all my SuSE problems by installing Ubuntu.
*
*

It will probably not be a production-ready release as it is a beta.

For a production-ready release you might have to pay some money for a
supported version.

Have you tried the download available from the IIUG website? How is that
crippled?

Andrew

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tool" <tool@thetool.com>
Newsgroups: comp.databases.informix
To: <informix-list@iiug.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: Anybody seen a very fast wild cat out there?


> Is this going to be yet another crippled fucked up release or is it going
> to
> be a production-ready release?
>
> I'm tired of waiting for a real IDS download instead of crippled crap.
>
> -t-
>
> Guy . wrote:
>> Well, strictly speaking I mainly regurgitated what was on the press
>> release, but hope to add some more during the day..
>>
>> Note the link in the press release will be going live very shortly (it
>> should be already but....)
>>
>> Guy
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Mark Jamison <majp51@yahoo.com>
>> To: informix-list@iiug.org
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 10:53:54 AM
>> Subject: Re: Anybody seen a very fast wild cat out there?
>>
>> Check out Guy Bowerman's blog for additional information
>>
>> http://www-03.ibm.com/developerworks...page/gbowerman
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Neil Truby <neil.truby@ardenta.com>
>> To: informix-list@iiug.org
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 12:47:04 PM
>> Subject: Re: Anybody seen a very fast wild cat out there?
>>
>> >> "Mark Jamison" <majp51@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:mailman.200.1171478114.10648.informix-list@iiug.org...
>> >> Speaking of which, check out:
>> >> http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release...ease_id=215466
>>
>> Well, that looks good, doesn't it? We're all on IBM's case to publicise
>> IDS
>> more, and there you go!
>>
>> I don't quite understand the proposition: is it that you will be able to
>> buy
>> an IBM x3105 pre-installed with SuSE Ent Linux and IDS 11 (presumably
>> Express) as an all-in bundle for substantially less than it would cost to
>> buy the 3 individual components?
>>
>> Let's hear more of this sort of thing from senior IBMers too: "The IDS
>> data
>> server provides an environment with low administration needs, which in
>> turn
>> lowers the total cost of ownership ...." said Arvind Krishna, vice
>> president
>> IBM data servers (?)
>>
>> (although he did then rather spoil it by lapsing into IBM-speak by adding
>> "
>> ... and frees up DBAs to focus more attention on their overall
>> Information
>> on Demand strategy.")
>>
>> I think this is very positive. Bring it On!
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Informix-list mailing list
>> Informix-list@iiug.org
>> http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Informix-list mailing list
>> Informix-list@iiug.org
>> http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Sucker-punch spam <
>> http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49981/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html>
>> with award-winning protection.
>> Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. <
>> http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49981/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html>
>
> --
> *
> * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVS3k...elated&search=
> *
> * I am a shill for open systems and open software.
> *
> * I solved all my SuSE problems by installing Ubuntu.
> *
> *
>
> _______________________________________________
> Informix-list mailing list
> Informix-list@iiug.org
> http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list

Hadn't bothered with the IIUG version as they disable replication and put some kind of user limit on it.

I will most likely have to get a VAR to get me the media for a production-ready release. Unfortunate that I have to do that. I haven't had to do that for DB2, Oracle, MS-SQL-Server, MySQL, BerkeleyDB, Postgres, Ingres, etc etc etc.

Of course those versions don't have the IIUG meddling in the download.

-t-

Andrew Ford wrote:
> It will probably not be a production-ready release as it is a beta.
>
> For a production-ready release you might have to pay some money for a
> supported version.
>
> Have you tried the download available from the IIUG website? How is that
> crippled?
>
> Andrew
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tool" <tool@thetool.com>
> Newsgroups: comp.databases.informix
> To: <informix-list@iiug.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 2:57 PM
> Subject: Re: Anybody seen a very fast wild cat out there?
>
>
>> Is this going to be yet another crippled fucked up release or is it going
>> to
>> be a production-ready release?
>>
>> I'm tired of waiting for a real IDS download instead of crippled crap.
>>
>> -t-
>>
>> Guy . wrote:
>>> Well, strictly speaking I mainly regurgitated what was on the press
>>> release, but hope to add some more during the day..
>>>
>>> Note the link in the press release will be going live very shortly (it
>>> should be already but....)
>>>
>>> Guy
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>> From: Mark Jamison <majp51@yahoo.com>
>>> To: informix-list@iiug.org
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 10:53:54 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Anybody seen a very fast wild cat out there?
>>>
>>> Check out Guy Bowerman's blog for additional information
>>>
>>> http://www-03.ibm.com/developerworks...page/gbowerman
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>> From: Neil Truby <neil.truby@ardenta.com>
>>> To: informix-list@iiug.org
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 12:47:04 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Anybody seen a very fast wild cat out there?
>>>
>>> >> "Mark Jamison" <majp51@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> >> news:mailman.200.1171478114.10648.informix-list@iiug.org...
>>> >> Speaking of which, check out:
>>> >> http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release...ease_id=215466
>>>
>>> Well, that looks good, doesn't it? We're all on IBM's case to publicise
>>> IDS
>>> more, and there you go!
>>>
>>> I don't quite understand the proposition: is it that you will be able to
>>> buy
>>> an IBM x3105 pre-installed with SuSE Ent Linux and IDS 11 (presumably
>>> Express) as an all-in bundle for substantially less than it would cost to
>>> buy the 3 individual components?
>>>
>>> Let's hear more of this sort of thing from senior IBMers too: "The IDS
>>> data
>>> server provides an environment with low administration needs, which in
>>> turn
>>> lowers the total cost of ownership ...." said Arvind Krishna, vice
>>> president
>>> IBM data servers (?)
>>>
>>> (although he did then rather spoil it by lapsing into IBM-speak by adding
>>> "
>>> ... and frees up DBAs to focus more attention on their overall
>>> Information
>>> on Demand strategy.")
>>>
>>> I think this is very positive. Bring it On!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Informix-list mailing list
>>> Informix-list@iiug.org
>>> http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Informix-list mailing list
>>> Informix-list@iiug.org
>>> http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Sucker-punch spam <
>>> http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49981/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html>
>>> with award-winning protection.
>>> Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. <
>>> http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49981/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html>
>> --
>> *
>> * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVS3k...elated&search=
>> *
>> * I am a shill for open systems and open software.
>> *
>> * I solved all my SuSE problems by installing Ubuntu.
>> *
>> *
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Informix-list mailing list
>> Informix-list@iiug.org
>> http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list
>
>

--
*
* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVS3k...elated&search=
*
* I am a shill for open systems and open software.
*
* I solved all my SuSE problems by installing Ubuntu.
*
*

Okay the web site is up and running
(http://www.informixmag.com/index.php...view&id=829&It
emid=43).

Stop whining, you look French.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: informix-list-bounces@iiug.org [mailto:informix-list-
> bounces@iiug.org] On Behalf Of Tool
> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 22:18
> To: informix-list@iiug.org
> Subject: Re: Anybody seen a very fast wild cat out there?
>
> Hadn't bothered with the IIUG version as they disable replication and put
> some kind of user limit on it.
>
> I will most likely have to get a VAR to get me the media for a production-
> ready release. Unfortunate that I have to do that. I haven't had to do
> that for DB2, Oracle, MS-SQL-Server, MySQL, BerkeleyDB, Postgres, Ingres,
> etc etc etc.
>
> Of course those versions don't have the IIUG meddling in the download.
>
> -t-
>
> Andrew Ford wrote:
> > It will probably not be a production-ready release as it is a beta.
> >
> > For a production-ready release you might have to pay some money for a
> > supported version.
> >
> > Have you tried the download available from the IIUG website? How is
> that
> > crippled?
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tool" <tool@thetool.com>
> > Newsgroups: comp.databases.informix
> > To: <informix-list@iiug.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 2:57 PM
> > Subject: Re: Anybody seen a very fast wild cat out there?
> >
> >
> >> Is this going to be yet another crippled fucked up release or is it
> going
> >> to
> >> be a production-ready release?
> >>
> >> I'm tired of waiting for a real IDS download instead of crippled crap.
> >>
> >> -t-
> >>
> >> Guy . wrote:
> >>> Well, strictly speaking I mainly regurgitated what was on the press
> >>> release, but hope to add some more during the day..
> >>>
> >>> Note the link in the press release will be going live very shortly (it
> >>> should be already but....)
> >>>
> >>> Guy
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message ----
> >>> From: Mark Jamison <majp51@yahoo.com>
> >>> To: informix-list@iiug.org
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 10:53:54 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: Anybody seen a very fast wild cat out there?
> >>>
> >>> Check out Guy Bowerman's blog for additional information
> >>>
> >>> http://www-03.ibm.com/developerworks...page/gbowerman
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message ----
> >>> From: Neil Truby <neil.truby@ardenta.com>
> >>> To: informix-list@iiug.org
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 12:47:04 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: Anybody seen a very fast wild cat out there?
> >>>
> >>> >> "Mark Jamison" <majp51@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>> >> news:mailman.200.1171478114.10648.informix-list@iiug.org...
> >>> >> Speaking of which, check out:
> >>> >> http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release...ease_id=215466
> >>>
> >>> Well, that looks good, doesn't it? We're all on IBM's case to
> publicise
> >>> IDS
> >>> more, and there you go!
> >>>
> >>> I don't quite understand the proposition: is it that you will be able
> to
> >>> buy
> >>> an IBM x3105 pre-installed with SuSE Ent Linux and IDS 11 (presumably
> >>> Express) as an all-in bundle for substantially less than it would cost
> to
> >>> buy the 3 individual components?
> >>>
> >>> Let's hear more of this sort of thing from senior IBMers too: "The IDS
> >>> data
> >>> server provides an environment with low administration needs, which in
> >>> turn
> >>> lowers the total cost of ownership ...." said Arvind Krishna, vice
> >>> president
> >>> IBM data servers (?)
> >>>
> >>> (although he did then rather spoil it by lapsing into IBM-speak by
> adding
> >>> "
> >>> ... and frees up DBAs to focus more attention on their overall
> >>> Information
> >>> on Demand strategy.")
> >>>
> >>> I think this is very positive. Bring it On!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Informix-list mailing list
> >>> Informix-list@iiug.org
> >>> http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Informix-list mailing list
> >>> Informix-list@iiug.org
> >>> http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> >>> Sucker-punch spam <
> >>>
> http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49981/*ht...yahoo.com/mail
> beta/features_spam.html>
> >>> with award-winning protection.
> >>> Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. <
> >>>
> http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49981/*ht...yahoo.com/mail
> beta/features_spam.html>
> >> --
> >> *
> >> * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVS3k...elated&search=
> >> *
> >> * I am a shill for open systems and open software.
> >> *
> >> * I solved all my SuSE problems by installing Ubuntu.
> >> *
> >> *
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Informix-list mailing list
> >> Informix-list@iiug.org
> >> http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list
> >
> >
>
> --
> *
> * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVS3k...elated&search=
> *
> * I am a shill for open systems and open software.
> *
> * I solved all my SuSE problems by installing Ubuntu.
> *
> *
>
> _______________________________________________
> Informix-list mailing list
> Informix-list@iiug.org
> http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list

Tool wrote:
> Is this going to be yet another crippled fucked up release or is it
> going to be a production-ready release?
>
> I'm tired of waiting for a real IDS download instead of crippled crap.
>

This is a Beta release. The product won't be GA until July (give or take one month...).
It's meant only for testing purposes. If I recall correctly this is the first time we have an open Beta of IDS.
In fact, I'd say the first time for any Informix product (except the recently announced CSDK 3.0 Beta.

Regards.

--
Fernando Nunes
Portugal

http://informix-technology.blogspot.com
My email works... but I don't check it frequently...

Question

- Since this 11 Beta includes the onconfig parameter
VP_MEMORY_CACHE_KB I would expect it to based off 10.00.xC6 source
however
onconfig parameter SINGLE_USER_MODE_WITH_DBSA is not listed in the
documentation for this beta. Will this be added to the product?

- How does RTO_SERVER_RESTART affect things? If i specify a large
checkpoint interval and LRU_MAX_DIRTY how can the server meet this?
Also how can does it determine how much activity can be performed
in the time period? That must depend on how busy other processes are
on the host
and (for me) how busy the SAN is from activity from other hosts
(yes 2 hosts can share a disk array!).

PS SHMVIRTALLOCSEG having an alarm feature is cool!

Also ontape to directories (finally!) is cool but the ability to list
multiple (colon seperated, like DBSPACETEMP) directories and have
individual volumes to always go to the directory that is on the
filesystem with the most free space would be nice. I have a HUGE
script to
do this with ontape at present and it takes a LOT of testing! (See I
should have been in the closed beta!).

Finally the ability to limit the amount of memory used by an
individual session would be nice, again with an alarm). If I have a
server with 64Gb of RAM
and a sessions goes rogue I don't want it allocating >60GB of RAM!

david@smooth1.co.uk wrote:
>
> Question
>
> - Since this 11 Beta includes the onconfig parameter
> VP_MEMORY_CACHE_KB I would expect it to based off 10.00.xC6 source
> however
> onconfig parameter SINGLE_USER_MODE_WITH_DBSA is not listed in the
> documentation for this beta. Will this be added to the product?
>
> - How does RTO_SERVER_RESTART affect things? If i specify a large
> checkpoint interval and LRU_MAX_DIRTY how can the server meet this?

Basically we are monitoring the amount of work which we think that we
will need to do to recover the instance. That means basically keeping
track of the distance since the last checkpoint. Since we have
introduced non-blocking checkpoints, having checkpoints more frequently
is not a big deal.

> Also how can does it determine how much activity can be performed
> in the time period? That must depend on how busy other processes are
> on the host

It's not so much the amount of activity, but the amount which we need to
recover. If we sense that you want to recover the server in 5 min in
all cases, and that means that we need to issue a checkpoint after 10
min., then we do so. Again, since we now have non-blocking checkpoints,
then the cost of a checkpoint is not a big expense.

> and (for me) how busy the SAN is from activity from other hosts
> (yes 2 hosts can share a disk array!).
>
> PS SHMVIRTALLOCSEG having an alarm feature is cool!
>
> Also ontape to directories (finally!) is cool but the ability to list
> multiple (colon seperated, like DBSPACETEMP) directories and have
> individual volumes to always go to the directory that is on the
> filesystem with the most free space would be nice. I have a HUGE
> script to
> do this with ontape at present and it takes a LOT of testing! (See I
> should have been in the closed beta!).
>
> Finally the ability to limit the amount of memory used by an
> individual session would be nice, again with an alarm). If I have a
> server with 64Gb of RAM
> and a sessions goes rogue I don't want it allocating >60GB of RAM!
>

FInally, AUTO_AIOVPS is not explained that well.

"the database server |automatically increases the number of AIO VPS
and flusher threads when the |server detects that
AIO VPs are not keeping up with the I/O workload"

What threshold determines this? Couldn't adding more and more AIO VPS
and flusher threads just make the problem worse?

david@smooth1.co.uk wrote:

> Finally the ability to limit the amount of memory used by an
> individual session would be nice, again with an alarm). If I have a
> server with 64Gb of RAM
> and a sessions goes rogue I don't want it allocating >60GB of RAM!
>

This and other limits would be nice... locks for example. Although this changed from 7.31 because of lock table dynamic nature, I still think this should be limited.
As far as I know there is a feature request for this (limit several resources by session), but I don't know the state of it.

Regards

--
Fernando Nunes
Portugal

http://informix-technology.blogspot.com
My email works... but I don't check it frequently...