If DB2 has all of this, I think "LOL" should be built into Informix


-----Original Message-----
From: smartdba [mailto:smartdba@nospam.net]
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 3:03 AM
To: informix-list@iiug.org
Subject: Re: Company thought DB2 will be better than Oracle.

You probably haven't turned on "Transparent Application Fallover" yet.

DBA

Obnoxio The Clown wrote:

> Database Guy wrote:
>
> > Oh come on! Type "earth is flat" into Google and you'll find people
> > who support that point of view. Everyone from experts to total
> > incompetents post to computing forums. Next time, do try being
> > selective when using the Internet.
>
> It's not flat? But then why don't I fall off? Tell me that, smarty-pants!
>
> --
> "C'est pas parce qu'on n'a rien à dire qu'il faut fermer sa gueule"
> - Coluche


sending to informix-list

Is there any Transparent Application Fallover in DB2? IBM should
copy it from Informix till it resolves DB2 instance disappearance issue.
The best part of it is db2start command will start everything without any
problem as if DB2 has forget and forgiven everything.


Peter



"Dirk Moolman" <DirkM@mxgroup.co.za> wrote in message news:<bk6nmo$cgs$1@terabinaries.xmission.com>...
> If DB2 has all of this, I think "LOL" should be built into Informix
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: smartdba [mailto:smartdba@nospam.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 3:03 AM
> To: informix-list@iiug.org
> Subject: Re: Company thought DB2 will be better than Oracle.
>
> You probably haven't turned on "Transparent Application Fallover" yet.
>
> DBA
>
> Obnoxio The Clown wrote:
>
> > Database Guy wrote:
> >
> > > Oh come on! Type "earth is flat" into Google and you'll find people
> > > who support that point of view. Everyone from experts to total
> > > incompetents post to computing forums. Next time, do try being
> > > selective when using the Internet.
> >
> > It's not flat? But then why don't I fall off? Tell me that, smarty-pants!
> >
> > --
> > "C'est pas parce qu'on n'a rien à dire qu'il faut fermer sa gueule"
> > - Coluche
>
>
> sending to informix-list

Wow, sounds like this is one thread that has been beaten too death, sneezed
in, coughed in, crapped in. This has to be one of the worst and nastiest
debates I have ever read from any newsgroup. Did anyone actually conviced
the other to see the other's point of view or change the way they thought
about the product they sided with? I doubt it. Sounds like this one could go
on for another 100 responses in this thread.

David


"Peter" <peter_and_john2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:396cd6da.0309161110.ea377f6@posting.google.co m...
> Is there any Transparent Application Fallover in DB2? IBM should
> copy it from Informix till it resolves DB2 instance disappearance issue.
> The best part of it is db2start command will start everything without any
> problem as if DB2 has forget and forgiven everything.
>
>
> Peter
>
>
>
> "Dirk Moolman" <DirkM@mxgroup.co.za> wrote in message
news:<bk6nmo$cgs$1@terabinaries.xmission.com>...
> > If DB2 has all of this, I think "LOL" should be built into Informix
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: smartdba [mailto:smartdba@nospam.net]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 3:03 AM
> > To: informix-list@iiug.org
> > Subject: Re: Company thought DB2 will be better than Oracle.
> >
> > You probably haven't turned on "Transparent Application Fallover" yet.
> >
> > DBA
> >
> > Obnoxio The Clown wrote:
> >
> > > Database Guy wrote:
> > >
> > > > Oh come on! Type "earth is flat" into Google and you'll find people
> > > > who support that point of view. Everyone from experts to total
> > > > incompetents post to computing forums. Next time, do try being
> > > > selective when using the Internet.
> > >
> > > It's not flat? But then why don't I fall off? Tell me that,
smarty-pants!
> > >
> > > --
> > > "C'est pas parce qu'on n'a rien à dire qu'il faut fermer sa gueule"
> > > - Coluche
> >
> >
> > sending to informix-list

"David Cuffee" <dcuffee@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:b4iab.494453$YN5.334104@sccrnsc01...
> Wow, sounds like this is one thread that has been beaten too death,
sneezed
> in, coughed in, crapped in. This has to be one of the worst and nastiest
> debates I have ever read from any newsgroup.

Actually, I didn't read it that way. Which newsgroup do you mean by the
way?

It started off as a "merits" debate but pretty quickly, from an Informix
newsgroup perspective anyway, moved into a debate about the extent to which
IBM is likely to be successful in retaining the Informix users who decide to
abandon Informix. For sure some strong views have been expressed about IBM
as a company, and its database strategy, but is that so bad?

David Cuffee wrote:

> This has to be one of the worst and
> nastiest debates I have ever read from any newsgroup.

You don't get out much, do you?

--
"C'est pas parce qu'on n'a rien à dire qu'il faut fermer sa gueule"
- Coluche

Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw when "David Cuffee" <dcuffee@comcast.net> would write:
> Wow, sounds like this is one thread that has been beaten too death, sneezed
> in, coughed in, crapped in. This has to be one of the worst and nastiest
> debates I have ever read from any newsgroup. Did anyone actually conviced
> the other to see the other's point of view or change the way they thought
> about the product they sided with? I doubt it. Sounds like this one could go
> on for another 100 responses in this thread.

Not even close to "worst." Visit can.taxes and watch the monkeys
fling dung at one another. It basically got hijacked by some "tax
protestors" a couple of years ago, and rational discussion has
essentially disappeared.
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Blair Adamache <badamache@2muchspam.yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<bk7qnv$igs$1@hanover.torolab.ibm.com>...
> For more formal approaches, DB2 supports High Availability through the
> following packages / methods:
>
> HACMP on AIX
> Microsoft Cluster server on Windows
> Sun Cluster on Solaris
> Veritas Cluster Server on Solaris
> Heartbeat on Linux
> Steeleye on Linux
> Serviceguard on HP

Does the cost of all that extra stuff get added
to the TCO when comparing prices with products
that don't need all that jazz to do the same?

Cheers
Nuno Souto
wizofoz2k@yahoo.com.au.nospam

Noons wrote:
> Blair Adamache <badamache@2muchspam.yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<bk7qnv$igs$1@hanover.torolab.ibm.com>...
>
>>For more formal approaches, DB2 supports High Availability through the
>>following packages / methods:
>>
>>HACMP on AIX
>>Microsoft Cluster server on Windows
>>Sun Cluster on Solaris
>>Veritas Cluster Server on Solaris
>>Heartbeat on Linux
>>Steeleye on Linux
>>Serviceguard on HP
>
>
> Does the cost of all that extra stuff get added
> to the TCO when comparing prices with products
> that don't need all that jazz to do the same?
>

HDR doesn't take care of failing over IP addresses, does it?
What about automatically switching from backup to primary when
one system goes down? (without rolling your own scripts to
do the detection / failover).

DB2 can do "HA" without the 3rd party HA products using log
shipping. Granted, log shipping is primitive in comparison
to HDR, but I think that it is closer in functionality than
HACMP/MSCS/etc.






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The issue of transparent reroute of the connection when the IP address
gets moved is something we are working on (i.e. writing code to solve).

Ian wrote:

> Noons wrote:
>
>> Blair Adamache <badamache@2muchspam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:<bk7qnv$igs$1@hanover.torolab.ibm.com>...
>>
>>> For more formal approaches, DB2 supports High Availability through
>>> the following packages / methods:
>>>
>>> HACMP on AIX
>>> Microsoft Cluster server on Windows
>>> Sun Cluster on Solaris
>>> Veritas Cluster Server on Solaris
>>> Heartbeat on Linux
>>> Steeleye on Linux
>>> Serviceguard on HP
>>
>>
>>
>> Does the cost of all that extra stuff get added
>> to the TCO when comparing prices with products
>> that don't need all that jazz to do the same?
>>
>
> HDR doesn't take care of failing over IP addresses, does it?
> What about automatically switching from backup to primary when
> one system goes down? (without rolling your own scripts to
> do the detection / failover).
>
> DB2 can do "HA" without the 3rd party HA products using log
> shipping. Granted, log shipping is primitive in comparison
> to HDR, but I think that it is closer in functionality than
> HACMP/MSCS/etc.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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