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>From: "Jean Georges Perrin" <jgp@jgp.net>
>To: "'Mark Jamison'" <majp51@yahoo.com>,<informix-list@iiug.org>
>
>IBM can (and does) monitor CDI too. ;-)
>
>

Right.

But I think the idea is to steer all beta talk over to IBM so that they can
control the conversation(s).

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Ian Michael Gumby wrote:
>
>
>
>> From: "Jean Georges Perrin" <jgp@jgp.net>
>> To: "'Mark Jamison'" <majp51@yahoo.com>,<informix-list@iiug.org>
>>
>> IBM can (and does) monitor CDI too. ;-)
>>
>>
>
> Right.
>
> But I think the idea is to steer all beta talk over to IBM so that they
> can control the conversation(s).

not so much control...

It's just that we have folks in R&D acting as beta tech support folks
there to respond to questions.

>
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There isn't anything wrong with "control" per se if there is a "controlled" beta. Since the beta is an open one, IBM kinda let the cat out of the bag without control--as its own title suggests. An "open" beta means there aren't any control points to any of it. A controlled beta would imply invitation-only, and thus a more likely amount of control, or some kind of supervised monitoring of how people use the product.

So it would probably be smart of IBM to listen to chatter here as well as over at IBM since they themselves opened it up to the public-at-large. That means they should be willing to take input from a variety of sources. Next time, IBM should offer a controlled, invitation-only beta and you can then have people agree to all sorts of NDAs, and other requirements, before downloading the engine. Seems like you could actually have both an open beta and an invitation-only beta at the same time, and get two different points of view, and use. For what it's worth I'd sooner listen over here than at IBM's site simply because it's easier for me.

-t-

Madison Pruet wrote:
> Ian Michael Gumby wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: "Jean Georges Perrin" <jgp@jgp.net>
>>> To: "'Mark Jamison'" <majp51@yahoo.com>,<informix-list@iiug.org>
>>>
>>> IBM can (and does) monitor CDI too. ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Right.
>>
>> But I think the idea is to steer all beta talk over to IBM so that
>> they can control the conversation(s).
>
> not so much control...
>
> It's just that we have folks in R&D acting as beta tech support folks
> there to respond to questions.
>
>>
>> __________________________________________________ _______________
>> Don’t miss your chance to WIN 10 hours of private jet travel from
>> Microsoft® Office Live
>> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub...mrt/direct/01/
>>

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tool [mailto:tool@thetool.com]
> Posted At: 19 February 2007 21:57
> Posted To: comp.databases.informix
> Conversation: IBM Informix Dynamic Server Version 11.10.UB4TL on SuSE
> Subject: Re: IBM Informix Dynamic Server Version 11.10.UB4TL on SuSE
>
>
>
> There isn't anything wrong with "control" per se if there is
> a "controlled" beta. Since the beta is an open one, IBM
> kinda let the cat out of the bag without control--as its own
> title suggests. An "open" beta means there aren't any
> control points to any of it. A controlled beta would imply
> invitation-only, and thus a more likely amount of control, or
> some kind of supervised monitoring of how people use the product.
>
> So it would probably be smart of IBM to listen to chatter
> here as well as over at IBM since they themselves opened it
> up to the public-at-large. That means they should be willing
> to take input from a variety of sources. Next time, IBM
> should offer a controlled, invitation-only beta and you can
> then have people agree to all sorts of NDAs, and other
> requirements, before downloading the engine. Seems like you
> could actually have both an open beta and an invitation-only
> beta at the same time, and get two different points of view,
> and use. For what it's worth I'd sooner listen over here
> than at IBM's site simply because it's easier for me.
>
> -t-
>
> Madison Pruet wrote:
> > Ian Michael Gumby wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> From: "Jean Georges Perrin" <jgp@jgp.net>
> >>> To: "'Mark Jamison'" <majp51@yahoo.com>,<informix-list@iiug.org>
> >>>
> >>> IBM can (and does) monitor CDI too. ;-)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Right.
> >>
> >> But I think the idea is to steer all beta talk over to IBM so that
> >> they can control the conversation(s).
> >
> > not so much control...
> >
> > It's just that we have folks in R&D acting as beta tech
> support folks
> > there to respond to questions.
> >
> >>
> >> __________________________________________________ _______________
> >> Don't miss your chance to WIN 10 hours of private jet travel from
> >> MicrosoftR Office Live
> >> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub...mrt/direct/01/
> >>
>
> --
> *
> * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVS3k...elated&search=
> *
>

Paul Watson wrote:
> The invitation or controlled Beta started back in Decemeber, which is
> why some of us have an idea what the initial problems were
>
> Paul Watson
> Tel: +44 1414161772
> Mob: +44 7818003457
> Web: www.oninit.com
>
> Failure is not as frightening as regret.
>
> Attend IDUG 2007 San Jose, North America
> May 6-10, 2007
> Visit http://www.iiug.org/conf for more information.
>
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tool [mailto:tool@thetool.com]
>> Posted At: 19 February 2007 21:57
>> Posted To: comp.databases.informix
>> Conversation: IBM Informix Dynamic Server Version 11.10.UB4TL on SuSE
>> Subject: Re: IBM Informix Dynamic Server Version 11.10.UB4TL on SuSE
>>
>>
>>
>> There isn't anything wrong with "control" per se if there is
>> a "controlled" beta. Since the beta is an open one, IBM
>> kinda let the cat out of the bag without control--as its own
>> title suggests. An "open" beta means there aren't any
>> control points to any of it. A controlled beta would imply
>> invitation-only, and thus a more likely amount of control, or
>> some kind of supervised monitoring of how people use the product.
>>
>> So it would probably be smart of IBM to listen to chatter
>> here as well as over at IBM since they themselves opened it
>> up to the public-at-large. That means they should be willing
>> to take input from a variety of sources. Next time, IBM
>> should offer a controlled, invitation-only beta and you can
>> then have people agree to all sorts of NDAs, and other
>> requirements, before downloading the engine. Seems like you
>> could actually have both an open beta and an invitation-only
>> beta at the same time, and get two different points of view,
>> and use. For what it's worth I'd sooner listen over here
>> than at IBM's site simply because it's easier for me.
>>
>> -t-
>>
>> Madison Pruet wrote:
>>> Ian Michael Gumby wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> From: "Jean Georges Perrin" <jgp@jgp.net>
>>>>> To: "'Mark Jamison'" <majp51@yahoo.com>,<informix-list@iiug.org>
>>>>>
>>>>> IBM can (and does) monitor CDI too. ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Right.
>>>>
>>>> But I think the idea is to steer all beta talk over to IBM so that
>>>> they can control the conversation(s).
>>> not so much control...
>>>
>>> It's just that we have folks in R&D acting as beta tech
>> support folks
>>> there to respond to questions.
>>>
>>>> __________________________________________________ _______________
>>>> Don't miss your chance to WIN 10 hours of private jet travel from
>>>> MicrosoftR Office Live
>>>> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub...mrt/direct/01/
>>>>
>> --
>> *
>> * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVS3k...elated&search=
>> *
>>
>

I *personally* think this is a very good place to "chat". And yes, the beta is "open" so anybody can do whatever they want. But...
If somebody has real issues with the Beta product, like things not working, doubts etc, than please report it to the forum. There are a few reasons to do it:

- As Madison said there are R&D/Support staff watching the forum very closely
- They can provide a much closer to an official answer
- They'll make sure that every problem reported will be entered in the internal problem tracking system
- They've been involved in the developing, testing and closed beta stages, so their knowledge will certainly be bigger/better
- They have "inside" information that can help understand and answer any issues
- I think the audience can be wider than here (although I prefer the newsgroups for this kind of thing...)

Regards.

--
Fernando Nunes
Portugal

http://informix-technology.blogspot.com
My email works... but I don't check it frequently...