I think that you are absolutely correct, this will be
won or lost in the larger companies because a lack of
3rd party vendor support is what is causing Informix
to become "dead." I know that's why we're moving away
from it. Informix is not mainstream enough to make
management happy because it extremely limits the
possible 3rd party apps that we can bring in. The more
large companies that push vendors to support Informix
with their apps the more alive Informix will be.

--- mosserp@wellsfargo.com wrote:

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-informix-list@iiug.org
> > [mailtowner-informix-list@iiug.org] On Behalf Of
> Dirk Moolman
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 1:16 AM
> > To: Data Goob; informix-list@iiug.org
> > Subject: RE: IDS Next Version - features wanted.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-informix-list@iiug.org
> > [mailtowner-informix-list@iiug.org]
> > On Behalf Of Data Goob
> > Sent: 01 June 2005 02:07 AM
> > To: informix-list@iiug.org
> > Subject: Re: IDS Next Version - features wanted.
> >
> >
> > >Paul,
> > >
> > >Good points you make, but I'm probably Pavlovian
> about it, basing
> > >my comments on the past, where there's been
> typically only one ad,
> > >with one good shot, and one bullet in the gun.
> > >
> > >This means that we/they/you/us won't get the
> luxury to waste precious
> > >ad-space on fluff and high-level bullshit. If
> the geeks don't get
> > >the message, it doesn't matter. This is who
> management turns to for
> > >the final decision anyway.
> >
> >
> > Sadly, in my company (and there must be more
> companies like mine),
> > management does not turn to the geeks, but rather
> to the gossip and
> > sales talk they heard floating around - and the
> media ........
> >
>
> And that is *exactly* the case in my company, too.
> I have been shouting
> for the last four years that Informix is *NOT* dead
> -- I might as well
> be shouting into the dust storms that come thru
> Phoenix in the late
> summer. It is all fine for Mark S. & Jerry K. to go
> around touting the
> technical innovations in IDS 10.0 (and those
> innovations are very
> significant and long overdue), but that is all in
> vain when upper mgmt
> still has the stubborn perception that "Informix is
> dead, long live DB2"
> -- or, worse yet, "let's take another look at
> Oracle."
>
> Maybe in smaller organizations the mgmt will defer
> to the geeks, but the
> chasm is too wide in large companies. No offense to
> all of the SMB's
> out there, but I think that this "battle" will be
> lost or won in the
> large companies. I know that IBM knows how to
> market to upper mgmt,
> they have been doing it for years now. They just
> need to marshal out
> the IBM DM execs, and get the message out *directly*
> to upper IT mgmt in
> large companies -- it simply will *not* be heeded
> coming from the lowly
> IT staffers in those companies. The InfoBahns are
> great for getting out
> the technical stuff, but I for one have *not* seen
> any upper mgmt at
> them, simply because they are aimed at the technical
> people.
>
> Paul Mosser
>
> sending to informix-list
>

sending to informix-list

"DL Redden" <redden96@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1117672642.337df36ff396d222bf399db16c2d474d@t eranews...
>
> I think that you are absolutely correct, this will be
> won or lost in the larger companies because a lack of
> 3rd party vendor support is what is causing Informix
> to become "dead." I know that's why we're moving away
> from it. Informix is not mainstream enough to make
> management happy because it extremely limits the
> possible 3rd party apps that we can bring in. The more
> large companies that push vendors to support Informix
> with their apps the more alive Informix will be.
>
Not going to happen though. BaaN used Informix as their strategic
development platform for years. Now it's DB2. Now this is going to have
cost them money, which is kind of a precious commodity for them at the
moment - why have they done it? Because they realise that Informix is not a
viable long term option and DB2 is.
Running one product line is the most cost effective solution. Technical
excellence means little to nothing. DEC RDb was a very good product indeed
when Oracle bought it - visited their ng recently? DB2 will be supported
and actively marketed, Informix will be kind of developed while it's
effectively allowed to wither on the vine. The 3PA developers will already
be getting deals and support to migrate, and the same will happen to sites
once the migration tools are stronger.
IBM can make more cash supporting and developing one product strongly. That
product will be DB2.
Ironically enough, I made this point to senior mnagement when we were
putting in our BaaN implementation, not long after the takeover, and was
ignored. Go figure.
Nowt to do with the respective qualities of the two products you understand,
just a realistic appraisal of the futures of the two products

Andrew wrote:
> "DL Redden" <redden96@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1117672642.337df36ff396d222bf399db16c2d474d@t eranews...
>
>>I think that you are absolutely correct, this will be
>>won or lost in the larger companies because a lack of
>>3rd party vendor support is what is causing Informix
>>to become "dead." I know that's why we're moving away
>>from it. Informix is not mainstream enough to make
>>management happy because it extremely limits the
>>possible 3rd party apps that we can bring in. The more
>>large companies that push vendors to support Informix
>>with their apps the more alive Informix will be.
>>
>
> Not going to happen though. BaaN used Informix as their strategic
> development platform for years. Now it's DB2. Now this is going to have
> cost them money, which is kind of a precious commodity for them at the
> moment - why have they done it? Because they realise that Informix is not a
> viable long term option and DB2 is.
> Running one product line is the most cost effective solution. Technical
> excellence means little to nothing. DEC RDb was a very good product indeed
> when Oracle bought it - visited their ng recently? DB2 will be supported
> and actively marketed, Informix will be kind of developed while it's
> effectively allowed to wither on the vine. The 3PA developers will already
> be getting deals and support to migrate, and the same will happen to sites
> once the migration tools are stronger.
> IBM can make more cash supporting and developing one product strongly. That
> product will be DB2.
> Ironically enough, I made this point to senior mnagement when we were
> putting in our BaaN implementation, not long after the takeover, and was
> ignored. Go figure.
> Nowt to do with the respective qualities of the two products you understand,
> just a realistic appraisal of the futures of the two products
>
>
At last voices from reality...how refreshing!

It's hard to imagine a future of Informix IDS if the recent message was that
it will be for "embedded products". It used to be told to the sales reps as I
recall that you can sell it if people ask about it, now you can buy it and use
it as long as nobody sees it--and you still have to ask for it.

Hee hee!

That's rich!

Sales reps start your engines... Informix, embedded... DB2 is what you want
for everything else...

The latest slide at the Thursday Infobahn had Informix as the
embedded

AND OLTP

database

You know....OLTP...transactions...bulk of your processing>

So Informix is now preferred over DB/2 for transaction processing?

Perhaps you guys (and gals) need to rethink...IBM has....

On 3 Jun 2005 15:43:39 -0700, david@smooth1.co.uk wrote:

>
>The latest slide at the Thursday Infobahn had Informix as the
>embedded
>
>AND OLTP
>
>database
>
>You know....OLTP...transactions...bulk of your processing>
>
>So Informix is now preferred over DB/2 for transaction processing?
>
>Perhaps you guys (and gals) need to rethink...IBM has....

I hadn't heard that one . . . . wish I could have been there . . . .

JWC

david@smooth1.co.uk wrote:
> The latest slide at the Thursday Infobahn had Informix as the
> embedded
>
> AND OLTP
>
> database
>
> You know....OLTP...transactions...bulk of your processing>
>
> So Informix is now preferred over DB/2 for transaction processing?
>
> Perhaps you guys (and gals) need to rethink...IBM has....

Thanks - someone *was* paying attention!

--
Jonathan Leffler #include <disclaimer.h>
Email: jleffler@earthlink.net, jleffler@us.ibm.com
Guardian of DBD::Informix v2005.01 -- http://dbi.perl.org/

Jonathan Leffler wrote:

> david@smooth1.co.uk wrote:
>
>> The latest slide at the Thursday Infobahn had Informix as the
>> embedded
>>
>> AND OLTP
>>
>> database
>>
>> You know....OLTP...transactions...bulk of your processing>
>>
>> So Informix is now preferred over DB/2 for transaction processing?
>>
>> Perhaps you guys (and gals) need to rethink...IBM has....
>
>
> Thanks - someone *was* paying attention!
>

We always pay attention, just don't always believe :-) IBM have been
hammering 'IDS is for embedded' for a year (?) now and people only just
starting to hear it.

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Paul Watson wrote:
> Jonathan Leffler wrote:
>
>> david@smooth1.co.uk wrote:
>>
>>> The latest slide at the Thursday Infobahn had Informix as the
>>> embedded
>>>
>>> AND OLTP
>>>
>>> database
>>>
>>> You know....OLTP...transactions...bulk of your processing>
>>>
>>> So Informix is now preferred over DB/2 for transaction processing?
>>>
>>> Perhaps you guys (and gals) need to rethink...IBM has....
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks - someone *was* paying attention!
>>
>
> We always pay attention, just don't always believe :-) IBM have been
> hammering 'IDS is for embedded' for a year (?) now and people only just
> starting to hear it.
>
Well, that can be fixed:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...5E2703,00.html

Cheers
Serge
--
Serge Rielau
DB2 SQL Compiler Development
IBM Toronto Lab

So that was what they were putting in the food at Denver :-)


Serge Rielau wrote:

> Paul Watson wrote:
>
>> Jonathan Leffler wrote:
>>
>>> david@smooth1.co.uk wrote:
>>>
>>>> The latest slide at the Thursday Infobahn had Informix as the
>>>> embedded
>>>>
>>>> AND OLTP
>>>>
>>>> database
>>>>
>>>> You know....OLTP...transactions...bulk of your processing>
>>>>
>>>> So Informix is now preferred over DB/2 for transaction processing?
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps you guys (and gals) need to rethink...IBM has....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks - someone *was* paying attention!
>>>
>>
>> We always pay attention, just don't always believe :-) IBM have been
>> hammering 'IDS is for embedded' for a year (?) now and people only
>> just starting to hear it.
>>
> Well, that can be fixed:
> http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...5E2703,00.html
>
>
> Cheers
> Serge


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