>From: Tool <tool@thetool.com>
> >> From: Tool <tool@thetool.com>
> > blah blah blah...
> >
> > Then stay home.
> >
> > Look, this is the first IIUG sponsored conference ever.
> >
> > Right now we're working through a survey to see who wants what. Since we
> > know you're not interested in coming, I guess we could just toss your
> > entry? ;-)
> >
>
>Did I have an entry?
>
So basically you're just blowing smoke and not participating in the survey?
You're starting to smell like a Troll timmy!

> > The IIUG is a user organization which prides itself in trying to give
> > its members the most bang for the buck.
> >
>
>Actually if they showed me that they will get me a production-version
>of IDS, _that_ would be the most bang for the buck. All I see right
>now is doing everything BUT that.
>
What do you mean "production-version"? The version on the IIUG is
"production-ready" at least as far as functionality. Where it is limited,
wouldn't effect you in a non-production environment.

> > Getting Certification on site is a big deal. Its a value add that many
> > people like. You talk about taking a test at a prometric site, you
> > still have the cost of travel to and from the site along with time lost
> > while taking the test.
> >
>
>Uh, actually I can drive to a test locally, and make up the lost hours
>in the same day.
>
Good for you. Then knock yourself out.
Go get yourself certified and quit your bitching.

> > The hardest part is trying to ensure that users who intend on going get
> > to see/hear/watch/demo things that are important to them.
> >
> > Based on your past posts, you're too lazy to go to the IIUG site and get
> > their latest version of IDS. You're too cheap to sign up for the all you
> > can eat IBM SWG deal.
> >
>
>Hee hee! :-) I know you're taunting me. I hardly consider myself lazy,
>but evidently you're seeing something in me I wasn't aware of. Too cheap
>to pay for the all-you-can-eat? Not cheap, just using smart business
>sense.
>I come from modest beginnings despite my success, so I think I'm a bit more
>sensitive to spending money than you are. I think it is a waste to spend
>that kind of money when I won't get much more than the software. No
>developer
>program, nothing else besides the software. Note to IBM: Hire me to do
>your
>developer program, you won't go wrong.
>
Naw Timmy, not smart business sense at all.

You're too cheap to understand the value and the opportunity.

But moi taunting you?
Say it aint so!


> > So then I guess I can save on my bar tab by not buying you a drink while
> > at the conference?
> >
>
>Absolutely. I think if I recall I actually owe you a drink. :-)
>
You probably do you rat bastard!
:-P

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Ian Michael Gumby wrote:
>
>> From: Tool <tool@thetool.com>
>
> So basically you're just blowing smoke and not participating in the survey?
> You're starting to smell like a Troll timmy!
>

And you're starting to smell like a shill. :-/

>> > The IIUG is a user organization which prides itself in trying to give
>> > its members the most bang for the buck.
>> >
>>
>> Actually if they showed me that they will get me a production-version
>> of IDS, _that_ would be the most bang for the buck. All I see right
>> now is doing everything BUT that.
>>
> What do you mean "production-version"? The version on the IIUG is
> "production-ready" at least as far as functionality. Where it is
> limited, wouldn't effect you in a non-production environment.
>

I'm not sure you've been working in the same kind of environments that I
have, maybe that's why you don't understand. I've been involved with clients
that stand up new machines weekly, both Oracle and DB2 and a few MySQL here
and there. These environments are driven by developers and applications, many
if not all who are required to be set up for HA, replication, the typical
stuff most corporations are running. When people like you tell me what I
need or what the customer needs, without the slightest clue, I find your
statements arrogant, insensitive, and uneducated. Does that make you a bad
person? No, it just makes you an ass.

>> > Getting Certification on site is a big deal. Its a value add that many
>> > people like. You talk about taking a test at a prometric site, you
>> > still have the cost of travel to and from the site along with time lost
>> > while taking the test.
>> >
>>
>> Uh, actually I can drive to a test locally, and make up the lost hours
>> in the same day.
>>
> Good for you. Then knock yourself out.
> Go get yourself certified and quit your bitching.
>

Who said I was bitching? You just want people to lay down for everything you
say without some kind of rebuttal. You'd rather be the status quo.

So, I'm curious that certification actually buys me something. Just what
market am I certifying _for_? 3% ? The infamous niche market? Why do I
need to spend money to push into such a small market? I get calls for Sybase
and have absolutely NO certification for that. So why would I certify for something
few shops if any are using? Besides, if Informix is so easy to use, what do
you need to "certify" for exactly?

> Naw Timmy, not smart business sense at all.
>
> You're too cheap to understand the value and the opportunity.
>
You can attack me personally, there's nothing I can do about that. But
I think it's a bit tasteless to attack me when all I'm doing is asking and
seeking the best deal. I don't think that's bad business sense. I simply
want the best deal possible, and I know it's possible to get a production
version without paying for it up front. Other vendors are doing it, all
I'm looking for is the same deal from IBM that I can get elsewhere. THAT
is good business sense. The people paying my invoice expect the same.

And I understand the ROI. If there is market momentum for a product, I'm
going to be there. But I'll believes it when I sees it. So far, all
I see is a rather weak series of announcements nobody is really paying
attention to. The buzz lasted what, barely three or four days? Here we
are today, and where's the buzz? Show me the money!

I only pointed out that these tests were avaialble at Prometric
centres as it has come to my attention that some people are unaware of
this and understood they could only take these tests at the various
conferences.

The same "free" testing was available at the IM technical conference
in dusseldorf and will be available at the IOD in vegas.

The IBM Information Management IOD conference in Vegas will be IMMENSE
and will have significant Informix content

It is also an opportunity to learn about some of the other products in
the Information management portfolio full details available at

http://www.ibm.com/software/data/conf/

I highly recommend attendance!!

On Jul 19, 11:21 pm, "Ian Michael Gumby" <im_gu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >From: scottishpoet <drybur...@yahoo.com>
> >The IBM Information Management IOD conference in Vegas will be IMMENSE
> >and will have significant Informix content
>
> That's relative. IOD will have Informix content, but only the IIUG
> conference will be 100% Informix content. :-P
> (Oh I know I'm going to catch shit for saying that. :-)
>
> The truth is that both airports can be a nightmare when they get completely
> crowded.
>
> Now Chicago... That's a busy yet efficient airport. :-)
>
> -G
>
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Just coz the IIUG is 100% informix doesn't eman there will ncessarilly
be more Informix, if there are 100 Informix sessions at the IIUG out
of 100 then thats 100% whereas if the IOD has 200 Informix sessions
out of 2000 thats only 10% biut arguable more content.

I am sure both conferences will be immense, the IOD is October, the
IIUG is next year.

Ian Michael Gumby said:
>
> how many times can
> you play "spot the hooker" in the hotel bar?

Every time? )

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