RollForward Wizard said:
>
> Obnoxio The Clown wrote:
>> RollForward Wizard said:
>>> DA Morgan wrote:
>>>> RollForward Wizard wrote:
>>>>> Obnoxio The Clown wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> RollForward Wizard said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is awesome work. I think it touches on some very salient
>>>>>>> points,
>>>>>>> especially regarding virtual processors and threading. It is
>>>>>>> amazing
>>>>>>> that Oracle technology could have gone so wrong despite the amount
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> money they have as a company, and how they could not come up with a
>>>>>>> better engine--or why haven't they dumped the current engine and
>>>>>>> made
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> new one that is actually better than any other product. Simply
>>>>>>> amazing.
>>>>>>> All that money and they can't find anyone to make their technology
>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>> than it is. They must have their priorities wrong, spending so
>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>> money
>>>>>>> on sales and marketing. :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> RE: http://www.IIUG.org/resources/articl...sOracle10g.pdf
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're pushing on an open door, trust me. I don't think there's a
>>>>>> single
>>>>>> person who uses Informix who doesn't wish that Informix and IBM were
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> effective at creating brand awareness for Informix as Oracle is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And then you'll find plenty of people who say Oracle don't spend
>>>>>> ENOUGH on
>>>>>> sales and marketing.
>>>>>>
>>>>> If you're IBM or any company, you have to have something to sell, and
>>>>> a market
>>>>> that likes what you sell. If there isn't a market for Informix, no
>>>>> matter how
>>>>> great it is, you are not going to sell Informix to anyone. IBM,
>>>>> Oracle, and
>>>>> Microsoft all sell a lot of software, some products more than others.
>>>>> At the
>>>>> end of the day, they look at what they sell, and make decisions, just
>>>>> like any
>>>>> business would. If it doesn't make money, why would they continue to
>>>>> push it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Oracle and Microsoft by the way do an excellent job of putting some
>>>>> pretty wrapping
>>>>> around all their products, something that is instructive for all of
>>>>> us.
>>>>>
>>>>> What does IBM need to do specifically to sell more Informix? Or is
>>>>> it
>>>>> less about
>>>>> "selling" Informix, and just making it more prominent, or visible, or
>>>>> legit, or ???
>>>>>
>>>>> What do IBM need to do with Informix that gives the product its'
>>>>> proper place?
>>>>>
>>>>> New books?
>>>>>
>>>>> New co-op developer programs? ( IBM DB2 and Zend PHP Core for
>>>>> example
>>>>> )
>>>>>
>>>>> New promotions?
>>>>>
>>>>> New advertising?
>>>>>
>>>>> New Web Seminars?
>>>>>
>>>>> Road shows?
>>>>>
>>>>> More White Papers?
>>>>>
>>>>> An Informix Magazine?
>>>>>
>>>>> Bumper Stickers?
>>>>>
>>>>> Kiosk/Appliance PCs with Informix pre-installed?
>>>>>
>>>>> Redbooks?
>>>>>
>>>>> Boat Races?
>>>>>
>>>>> Press Releases?
>>>> Convince C-level management that it isn't a path without a future.
>>>> Right now it is impossible to view it as more viable than Sybase.
>>>> Most business owners are looking at the list of major app vendors
>>>> ... SAP ... Ok, eBusiness Suite (Oracle), PeopleSoft (Oracle),
>>>> JD Edwards (Oracle), Siebel (Oracle), and thinking ... why?
>>>>
>>>> And Informix is not the only product where the question is asked.
>>>> I think if one approaches it objectively, dispassionately, one
>>>> can reasonably conclude that it is too late. A world in which the
>>>> market is split between Oracle and Microsoft is not that hard to
>>>> envision.
>>> In it's best of times did Informix ever hit past %5 of the market?
>>
>> In its best of times, Informix was as big as Oracle.
>>
> Maybe on some levels, like sales, for what, maybe 1 year.

Most of the 1980's. Much longer than a year.

> The biggest marketing opportunity ever for
> Informix, the Linux market, was squandered by people who didn't
> even know their own product line.

You are Tim Schaefer and I claim my #5.

--
Bye now,
Obnoxio

"C'est pas parce qu'on n'a rien ` dire qu'il faut fermer sa gueule"
- Coluche

did i mention i like nulls? heck, i even go so far as to say that all
columns in a table except the primary key could/should be nullable. this
has certain advantages, for example, if you need to insert a child record
and you don't have a parent row for it, just do an insert into the parent
table with the primary key value (everything else null), and voila,
relational integrity is preserved. but this is, admittedly, a bit
controversial among modellers.

--r937, dbforums.com
sending to informix-list

On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 15:58:59 -0000 (GMT), "Obnoxio The Clown"
<obnoxio@serendipita.com> wrote:

>
>RollForward Wizard said:
>>
>> Obnoxio The Clown wrote:
>>> RollForward Wizard said:
>>>> DA Morgan wrote:
>>>>> RollForward Wizard wrote:
>>>>>> Obnoxio The Clown wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> RollForward Wizard said:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is awesome work. I think it touches on some very salient
>>>>>>>> points,
>>>>>>>> especially regarding virtual processors and threading. It is
>>>>>>>> amazing
>>>>>>>> that Oracle technology could have gone so wrong despite the amount
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> money they have as a company, and how they could not come up with a
>>>>>>>> better engine--or why haven't they dumped the current engine and
>>>>>>>> made
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> new one that is actually better than any other product. Simply
>>>>>>>> amazing.
>>>>>>>> All that money and they can't find anyone to make their technology
>>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>>> than it is. They must have their priorities wrong, spending so
>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>> money
>>>>>>>> on sales and marketing. :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> RE: http://www.IIUG.org/resources/articl...sOracle10g.pdf
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You're pushing on an open door, trust me. I don't think there's a
>>>>>>> single
>>>>>>> person who uses Informix who doesn't wish that Informix and IBM were
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> effective at creating brand awareness for Informix as Oracle is.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And then you'll find plenty of people who say Oracle don't spend
>>>>>>> ENOUGH on
>>>>>>> sales and marketing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you're IBM or any company, you have to have something to sell, and
>>>>>> a market
>>>>>> that likes what you sell. If there isn't a market for Informix, no
>>>>>> matter how
>>>>>> great it is, you are not going to sell Informix to anyone. IBM,
>>>>>> Oracle, and
>>>>>> Microsoft all sell a lot of software, some products more than others.
>>>>>> At the
>>>>>> end of the day, they look at what they sell, and make decisions, just
>>>>>> like any
>>>>>> business would. If it doesn't make money, why would they continue to
>>>>>> push it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oracle and Microsoft by the way do an excellent job of putting some
>>>>>> pretty wrapping
>>>>>> around all their products, something that is instructive for all of
>>>>>> us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What does IBM need to do specifically to sell more Informix? Or is
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> less about
>>>>>> "selling" Informix, and just making it more prominent, or visible, or
>>>>>> legit, or ???
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What do IBM need to do with Informix that gives the product its'
>>>>>> proper place?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> New books?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> New co-op developer programs? ( IBM DB2 and Zend PHP Core for
>>>>>> example
>>>>>> )
>>>>>>
>>>>>> New promotions?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> New advertising?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> New Web Seminars?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Road shows?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> More White Papers?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> An Informix Magazine?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bumper Stickers?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kiosk/Appliance PCs with Informix pre-installed?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Redbooks?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Boat Races?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Press Releases?
>>>>> Convince C-level management that it isn't a path without a future.
>>>>> Right now it is impossible to view it as more viable than Sybase.
>>>>> Most business owners are looking at the list of major app vendors
>>>>> ... SAP ... Ok, eBusiness Suite (Oracle), PeopleSoft (Oracle),
>>>>> JD Edwards (Oracle), Siebel (Oracle), and thinking ... why?
>>>>>
>>>>> And Informix is not the only product where the question is asked.
>>>>> I think if one approaches it objectively, dispassionately, one
>>>>> can reasonably conclude that it is too late. A world in which the
>>>>> market is split between Oracle and Microsoft is not that hard to
>>>>> envision.
>>>> In it's best of times did Informix ever hit past %5 of the market?
>>>
>>> In its best of times, Informix was as big as Oracle.
>>>
>> Maybe on some levels, like sales, for what, maybe 1 year.
>
>Most of the 1980's. Much longer than a year.
>
>> The biggest marketing opportunity ever for
>> Informix, the Linux market, was squandered by people who didn't
>> even know their own product line.
>
>You are Tim Schaefer and I claim my #5.

Tim's back?????

JWC