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>From: DA Morgan <damorgan@psoug.org>

> > Daniel, my client is using 9.
> > When they go to either 10 or 11, then I'll go to 10 or 11.
>
>No attempt to change the subject. Your customer could be using
>version 3.0 for all I care. My point is you are rendering an
>opinion about a product based on knowledge of a version so old
>it is in desupport.
>
>Would it make sense to comment on Informix based on an obsolete
>version and extend that to apply to Cheetah? Of course not.
>
>PS: You might want to learn 10 and 11 in advance of your client's
>need.

Danny boy,

Oracle 11 isnt due to be released until next month.

So here we have it from the mouth of an oracle shill.
If you want to run Oracle, you have to run the latest release, else the
prior release is out of support.

My client is on 9 and is looking at moving either to 10 or 11 next year. So
running 9 is so out of date? GET REAL!


Remember that there is a price/pain for moving to a newer release. At least
with Oracle...

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Ian Michael Gumby wrote:
>
>
>
>> From: DA Morgan <damorgan@psoug.org>
>
>> > Daniel, my client is using 9.
>> > When they go to either 10 or 11, then I'll go to 10 or 11.
>>
>> No attempt to change the subject. Your customer could be using
>> version 3.0 for all I care. My point is you are rendering an
>> opinion about a product based on knowledge of a version so old
>> it is in desupport.
>>
>> Would it make sense to comment on Informix based on an obsolete
>> version and extend that to apply to Cheetah? Of course not.
>>
>> PS: You might want to learn 10 and 11 in advance of your client's
>> need.
>
> Danny boy,
>
> Oracle 11 isnt due to be released until next month.
>
> So here we have it from the mouth of an oracle shill.
> If you want to run Oracle, you have to run the latest release, else the
> prior release is out of support.
>
> My client is on 9 and is looking at moving either to 10 or 11 next year.
> So running 9 is so out of date? GET REAL!
>
>
> Remember that there is a price/pain for moving to a newer release. At
> least with Oracle...
>


Have you tried UPDATE STATISTICS?

Ian Michael Gumby wrote:

> Oracle 11 isnt due to be released until next month.

No it isn't. The marketing campaign starts in July. The software will
be released when the software is ready to be released. They are not
necessarily the same date.
--
Daniel A. Morgan
University of Washington
damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond)
Puget Sound Oracle Users Group
www.psoug.org

Important to note that the upcoming Oracle announcement/propaganda coincides with
IBM Informix Cheetah general availability. It is consistent with previous
releases of Informix to have any Informix announcement momentum washed away
with Oracle announcements or other Oracle news.

-t-

DA Morgan wrote:
> Ian Michael Gumby wrote:
>
>> Oracle 11 isnt due to be released until next month.
>
> No it isn't. The marketing campaign starts in July. The software will
> be released when the software is ready to be released. They are not
> necessarily the same date.

--

informix ( in FOR mix ) American English. A combination of "inform"
and Unix. Originally a software product running primarily on UNIX platforms,
it is still widely available for UNIX, Linux, and Windows computer platforms.

Informix IDS, the database engine with the future built in, is available today
with current releases offering one of the fastest databases, advanced technology,
and super cool technology that application developers will love. Suitable and
preferable for Java and Web Applications. Easy to use, easy to admin, Informix
takes up less space on your system yet delivers more power than Oracle and
other enterprise database products at a fraction of the cost.

--
-- Informix Dynamic Server Database Engine -- Proven Faster. Proven Better. --
-- http://www.informix.com
--

Tool wrote:
> takes up less space on your system yet delivers more power than Oracle and
> other enterprise database products at a fraction of the cost.

Perhaps I am misunderstanding the licensing page on IBM's website. But
what I read is:

"An IBM Rational Authorized User license allows a single, specific
individual to use an IBM Rational product." and that license is $900
for a single year.
https://www-112.ibm.com/software/how...US&country=USA

When I look at the corresponding Oracle pricing I see $800 for:
"Oracle Database Enterprise Edition - Named User Plus Perpetual[$800.00]

http://oraclestore.oracle.com/OA_HTM...RE&language=US

What am I misunderstanding?
--
Daniel A. Morgan
University of Washington
damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond)

DA Morgan wrote:
> Tool wrote:
>> takes up less space on your system yet delivers more power than Oracle
>> and
>> other enterprise database products at a fraction of the cost.
>
> Perhaps I am misunderstanding the licensing page on IBM's website. But
> what I read is:
>
> "An IBM Rational Authorized User license allows a single, specific
> individual to use an IBM Rational product." and that license is $900
> for a single year.
> https://www-112.ibm.com/software/how...US&country=USA
>
>
> When I look at the corresponding Oracle pricing I see $800 for:
> "Oracle Database Enterprise Edition - Named User Plus Perpetual[$800.00]
>
> http://oraclestore.oracle.com/OA_HTM...RE&language=US
>
>
> What am I misunderstanding?

Too much... to be honest this reminds me a previous post where someone said
benchmarks were useless because they tried to compare what was not
comparable... Let's see...:

1- Your first link point to Informix Online 5 pricing (not IDS we've been
discussing). It's for a concurrent session

2- This price includes 1 year of maintenance (includes phone support etc.)

3- The quote you make refers to Rational License... Not the same as Informix
licensing. I can't explain why the site shows that...

4- In this link you can see prices for various IDS licenses:
http://www-950.ibm.com/ecatalog/Deta...06034N08119V60

5- Your Oracle pricing "forgets" the minimum user licensing... 25 named users +
1 server license (ouch...)

6- Your Oracle pricing does not include several Options (partitioning for example)

7- (question): Does the oracle pricing include support?

Of course we could keep this thread for ages discussing what you get for
equivalent money but understanding software pricing has become a hard job...
don't try to present a simplification that will mislead readers...



Regards.


--
Fernando Nunes
Portugal

http://informix-technology.blogspot.com
My email works... but I don't check it frequently...

Fernando Nunes wrote:

> 4- In this link you can see prices for various IDS licenses:
> http://www-950.ibm.com/ecatalog/Deta...06034N08119V60

Thanks ... appreciate the link.

I guess they sell it for what they can get for it. <g> Sorry.
--
Daniel A. Morgan
University of Washington
damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond)

DA Morgan wrote:
> Fernando Nunes wrote:
>
>> 4- In this link you can see prices for various IDS licenses:
>> http://www-950.ibm.com/ecatalog/Deta...06034N08119V60
>
>
> Thanks ... appreciate the link.
>
> I guess they sell it for what they can get for it. <g> Sorry.

This could be interpreted as you finally saying IDS is cheaper than Oracle...
You have to be careful... You may end up asking "why the hell should we pay
more, when we can get performance, reliability and functionality for less?"

No need to say sorry... I'm not sorry for supporting customers who asked
themselves the question above and found the obvious answer...

Regards.

--
Fernando Nunes
Portugal

http://informix-technology.blogspot.com
My email works... but I don't check it frequently...

Fernando Nunes wrote:
> DA Morgan wrote:
>> Fernando Nunes wrote:
>>
>>> 4- In this link you can see prices for various IDS licenses:
>>> http://www-950.ibm.com/ecatalog/Deta...06034N08119V60
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks ... appreciate the link.
>>
>> I guess they sell it for what they can get for it. <g> Sorry.
>
> This could be interpreted as you finally saying IDS is cheaper than
> Oracle...

I've no doubt IDS is cheaper than Oracle EE and no doubt it is far more
expensive than Oracle XE. One must compare with a version with
comparable features if such a beast exists.
--
Daniel A. Morgan
University of Washington
damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond)
Puget Sound Oracle Users Group
www.psoug.org

DA Morgan wrote:
> Fernando Nunes wrote:
>> DA Morgan wrote:
>>> Fernando Nunes wrote:
>>>
>>>> 4- In this link you can see prices for various IDS licenses:
>>>> http://www-950.ibm.com/ecatalog/Deta...06034N08119V60
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks ... appreciate the link.
>>>
>>> I guess they sell it for what they can get for it. <g> Sorry.
>>
>> This could be interpreted as you finally saying IDS is cheaper than
>> Oracle...
>
> I've no doubt IDS is cheaper than Oracle EE and no doubt it is far more
> expensive than Oracle XE. One must compare with a version with
> comparable features if such a beast exists.

Not trying to beat a dead dog here but can someone explain this to me?

http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infoce...oc/esqlc02.htm

The header on the frame says:
"IBM Informix Dynamic Server, Version 10 IBM Client SDK, Version 2.9"

and the contents says:

"Some members of the DB2® family of servers do not support fragmenting
by range, and attaching and detaching fragments."

Is Informix now considered to be part of the DB2 family?
--
Daniel A. Morgan
University of Washington
damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond)
Puget Sound Oracle Users Group
www.psoug.org