Please post your suggestions on the Cheetah Beta forum at
http://www-128.ibm.com/developerwork...um=1071&cat=19





Tool <tool@thetool.com>
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03/15/2007 07:45 AM
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Re: Informix IDS Beta on SuSE 10.2 Pentium III






I regret that I don't have any Brittany Spears music in my collection.
However, I do think the installation folks need to take a look at the
section of the installation where you get to pick your directory for
the rootdbs. That's the point where I found the smoke to really help
since that's where the installation seemed to fail. Maybe too, if the
marketing department would smoke a little we'd see some really good
ads. ;-)

-t-

Jack Parker wrote:
> Cool! That's useful! I'm sure the install team will be able to use
your
> suggestions to provide a less frustrating experience. I'm unsure how
> they'll be able to enable you to download Ganja and/or Black Velvet, but
I'm
> sure that with your expert input they'll get right on it. How were the
> Britney Spears tunes? Should those be included in the download? As
Mp3s or
> wavs?
>
> j.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: informix-list-bounces@iiug.org
> [mailto:informix-list-bounces@iiug.org]On Behalf Of Tool
> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 9:46 PM
> To: informix-list@iiug.org
> Subject: Re: Informix IDS Beta on SuSE 10.2 Pentium III
>
>
> Jack Parker wrote:
>> I had a similar reaction to my first install of 10 on Linux. I sent a
>> fairly stern note which wound up with the install team. Take a couple
of
>> minutes and describe in your own words your frustrations with the
process,
> I
>> want to capture and forward them on.
>>
>> j.
>>
> Well Jack,
>
> First I rolled a rather large joint, smoked it, and then listened to
some
> music
> for a while. Then, as I got down to just the roach, I put it out, blew
my
> last
> big breathe of smoke, and typed in ./install_ids.
>
> At this point I watched the whole process unfold, it was in boring black
and
> white,
> and it spoke to me. Yes, that's it, I heard God speak, saying YOU'RE
> WASTING YOUR
> TIME. But no, I stayed with it, despite heavenly advice, and pushed on.
As
> I look
> back on it, yes, I was disappointed. But not in the install, I was
> disappointed that
> my glass of whiskey was dry. Now _that_ was a disappointment. So,
that's
> my frustration
> at this point, I hope the install team will understand.
>
> :-)
>
> Seriously if they would make the install a bit more intelligent I think
> they've got a
> chance. It needs to do a little more checking on things before the
> installation
> begins.
>
> -t-
>
> _______________________________________________
> Informix-list mailing list
> Informix-list@iiug.org
> http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list
>

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I don't feel like posting over there.

You go ahead and pass along the information since you've already read the thread.

Thanks!!

-t-

Dattatreya Govindappanavar wrote:
>
> Please post your suggestions on the Cheetah Beta forum at
> http://www-128.ibm.com/developerwork...um=1071&cat=19
>
>
>
>
> *Tool <tool@thetool.com>*
> Sent by: informix-list-bounces@iiug.org
>
> 03/15/2007 07:45 AM
> Please respond to
> tool@thetool.com
>
>
>
> To
> informix-list@iiug.org
> cc
>
> Subject
> Re: Informix IDS Beta on SuSE 10.2 Pentium III
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I regret that I don't have any Brittany Spears music in my collection.
> However, I do think the installation folks need to take a look at the
> section of the installation where you get to pick your directory for
> the rootdbs. That's the point where I found the smoke to really help
> since that's where the installation seemed to fail. Maybe too, if the
> marketing department would smoke a little we'd see some really good
> ads. ;-)
>
> -t-
>
> Jack Parker wrote:
> > Cool! That's useful! I'm sure the install team will be able to use your
> > suggestions to provide a less frustrating experience. I'm unsure how
> > they'll be able to enable you to download Ganja and/or Black Velvet,
> but I'm
> > sure that with your expert input they'll get right on it. How were the
> > Britney Spears tunes? Should those be included in the download? As
> Mp3s or
> > wavs?
> >
> > j.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: informix-list-bounces@iiug.org
> > [mailto:informix-list-bounces@iiug.org]On Behalf Of Tool
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 9:46 PM
> > To: informix-list@iiug.org
> > Subject: Re: Informix IDS Beta on SuSE 10.2 Pentium III
> >
> >
> > Jack Parker wrote:
> >> I had a similar reaction to my first install of 10 on Linux. I sent a
> >> fairly stern note which wound up with the install team. Take a
> couple of
> >> minutes and describe in your own words your frustrations with the
> process,
> > I
> >> want to capture and forward them on.
> >>
> >> j.
> >>
> > Well Jack,
> >
> > First I rolled a rather large joint, smoked it, and then listened to some
> > music
> > for a while. Then, as I got down to just the roach, I put it out,
> blew my
> > last
> > big breathe of smoke, and typed in ./install_ids.
> >
> > At this point I watched the whole process unfold, it was in boring
> black and
> > white,
> > and it spoke to me. Yes, that's it, I heard God speak, saying YOU'RE
> > WASTING YOUR
> > TIME. But no, I stayed with it, despite heavenly advice, and pushed
> on. As
> > I look
> > back on it, yes, I was disappointed. But not in the install, I was
> > disappointed that
> > my glass of whiskey was dry. Now _that_ was a disappointment. So,
> that's
> > my frustration
> > at this point, I hope the install team will understand.
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > Seriously if they would make the install a bit more intelligent I think
> > they've got a
> > chance. It needs to do a little more checking on things before the
> > installation
> > begins.
> >
> > -t-
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Informix-list mailing list
> > Informix-list@iiug.org
> > http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list
> >
>
> --
> *
> * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVS3k...elated&search=
> *
>
> _______________________________________________
> Informix-list mailing list
> Informix-list@iiug.org
> http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list
>

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*

Tool wrote:
> I don't feel like posting over there.
> You go ahead and pass along the information since you've already read
> the thread.
>
> Thanks!!


Tool,

Datta is an IBM employee, but he is not one of the executive types.
Having a customer make a complaint/suggestion in the beta forum carries
far more weight than having an employee make a complaint/suggestion.

Thanks,
M.P.

>
> -t-
>
> Dattatreya Govindappanavar wrote:
>>
>> Please post your suggestions on the Cheetah Beta forum at
>> http://www-128.ibm.com/developerwork...um=1071&cat=19
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Tool <tool@thetool.com>*
>> Sent by: informix-list-bounces@iiug.org
>>
>> 03/15/2007 07:45 AM
>> Please respond to
>> tool@thetool.com
>>
>>
>>
>> To
>> informix-list@iiug.org
>> cc
>>
>> Subject
>> Re: Informix IDS Beta on SuSE 10.2 Pentium III
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I regret that I don't have any Brittany Spears music in my collection.
>> However, I do think the installation folks need to take a look at the
>> section of the installation where you get to pick your directory for
>> the rootdbs. That's the point where I found the smoke to really help
>> since that's where the installation seemed to fail. Maybe too, if the
>> marketing department would smoke a little we'd see some really good
>> ads. ;-)
>>
>> -t-
>>
>> Jack Parker wrote:
>> > Cool! That's useful! I'm sure the install team will be able to
>> use your
>> > suggestions to provide a less frustrating experience. I'm unsure how
>> > they'll be able to enable you to download Ganja and/or Black
>> Velvet, but I'm
>> > sure that with your expert input they'll get right on it. How were
>> the
>> > Britney Spears tunes? Should those be included in the download?
>> As Mp3s or
>> > wavs?
>> >
>> > j.
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: informix-list-bounces@iiug.org
>> > [mailto:informix-list-bounces@iiug.org]On Behalf Of Tool
>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 9:46 PM
>> > To: informix-list@iiug.org
>> > Subject: Re: Informix IDS Beta on SuSE 10.2 Pentium III
>> >
>> >
>> > Jack Parker wrote:
>> >> I had a similar reaction to my first install of 10 on Linux. I
>> sent a
>> >> fairly stern note which wound up with the install team. Take a
>> couple of
>> >> minutes and describe in your own words your frustrations with the
>> process,
>> > I
>> >> want to capture and forward them on.
>> >>
>> >> j.
>> >>
>> > Well Jack,
>> >
>> > First I rolled a rather large joint, smoked it, and then listened
>> to some
>> > music
>> > for a while. Then, as I got down to just the roach, I put it out,
>> blew my
>> > last
>> > big breathe of smoke, and typed in ./install_ids.
>> >
>> > At this point I watched the whole process unfold, it was in boring
>> black and
>> > white,
>> > and it spoke to me. Yes, that's it, I heard God speak, saying YOU'RE
>> > WASTING YOUR
>> > TIME. But no, I stayed with it, despite heavenly advice, and
>> pushed on. As
>> > I look
>> > back on it, yes, I was disappointed. But not in the install, I was
>> > disappointed that
>> > my glass of whiskey was dry. Now _that_ was a disappointment. So,
>> that's
>> > my frustration
>> > at this point, I hope the install team will understand.
>> >
>> > :-)
>> >
>> > Seriously if they would make the install a bit more intelligent I
>> think
>> > they've got a
>> > chance. It needs to do a little more checking on things before the
>> > installation
>> > begins.
>> >
>> > -t-
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Informix-list mailing list
>> > Informix-list@iiug.org
>> > http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list
>> >
>>
>> --
>> *
>> * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVS3k...elated&search=
>> *
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Informix-list mailing list
>> Informix-list@iiug.org
>> http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list
>>
>

Madison Pruet wrote:
> Tool,
>
> Datta is an IBM employee, but he is not one of the executive types.
> Having a customer make a complaint/suggestion in the beta forum carries
> far more weight than having an employee make a complaint/suggestion.
>
> Thanks,
> M.P.
>

The time it took you to post here, you could have written an email to
the right person inside Informix and notified them that the installation
has a bug in it at the point where you input your desired path for the
rootdbs.

The issue was reported to the Cheetah Beta Forum and will be looked at by
IBM. It would appear that they were glad to recieve the input, a small fee
for being able to play with the new engine for free before it is officially
released.

--------

Thank you for taking the time to post this issue. I acknowledge that this is
a problem with the installer. As a member of the IDS Install Development
Team, I will ensure that we look into it right away.

We greatly value your input. Please do not hesitate to post more of your
issues or ideas.

Regards,
Paul-John A. To

IBM Software Group
Information Management Division

---------

Andrew

> Madison Pruet wrote:
>> Tool,
>>
>> Datta is an IBM employee, but he is not one of the executive types.
>> Having a customer make a complaint/suggestion in the beta forum carries
>> far more weight than having an employee make a complaint/suggestion.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> M.P.
>>
>
> The time it took you to post here, you could have written an email to
> the right person inside Informix and notified them that the installation
> has a bug in it at the point where you input your desired path for the
> rootdbs.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Informix-list mailing list
> Informix-list@iiug.org
> http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list

Tool said:
> Madison Pruet wrote:
>> Tool,
>>
>> Datta is an IBM employee, but he is not one of the executive types.
>> Having a customer make a complaint/suggestion in the beta forum carries
>> far more weight than having an employee make a complaint/suggestion.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> M.P.
>>
>
> The time it took you to post here, you could have written an email to
> the right person inside Informix and notified them that the installation
> has a bug in it at the point where you input your desired path for the
> rootdbs.

You don't understand, do you? IBM places no value on input from employees..
It only places value on input from customers. I've been amazed that when
I've spoken to my "friends in high places" in IBM how little influence
they have compared to the lowliest customer.

Such as myself. )

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Obnoxio

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-- Cosmo

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Obnoxio The Clown wrote:
> You don't understand, do you? IBM places no value on input from employees.
> It only places value on input from customers. I've been amazed that when
> I've spoken to my "friends in high places" in IBM how little influence
> they have compared to the lowliest customer.
>
> Such as myself. )
>

Actually, to extend the paradigm, IBM has a hierarchy like this:

customers
|--employees
|--contractors

Take heart, you haven't gone as far down the tree as I!

)

As a contractor in the past I wasn't even sure if they knew who I was!
"Oh, you? Do you work here?"


-t-

Tool wrote:
> Madison Pruet wrote:
>> Tool,
>>
>> Datta is an IBM employee, but he is not one of the executive types.
>> Having a customer make a complaint/suggestion in the beta forum
>> carries far more weight than having an employee make a
>> complaint/suggestion.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> M.P.
>>
>
> The time it took you to post here, you could have written an email to
> the right person inside Informix and notified them that the installation
> has a bug in it at the point where you input your desired path for the
> rootdbs.
>

Yes - but comments from a customer far outweigh comments from an
employee - including myself.

Madison Pruet wrote:
> Tool wrote:
>> Madison Pruet wrote:
>>> Tool,
>>>
>>> Datta is an IBM employee, but he is not one of the executive types.
>>> Having a customer make a complaint/suggestion in the beta forum
>>> carries far more weight than having an employee make a
>>> complaint/suggestion.
>>
>> The time it took you to post here, you could have written an email to
>> the right person inside Informix and notified them that the installation
>> has a bug in it at the point where you input your desired path for the
>> rootdbs.
>
> Yes - but comments from a customer far outweigh comments from an
> employee - including myself.

Or me! Sad, but so. 'Twas ever thus, in fact, even when Informix was
not a part of IBM.

--
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Email: jleffler@earthlink.net, jleffler@us.ibm.com
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