Duh - I'm very well aware of how MySQL works and their solvency
concerns and their efforts to work with established RDBMS vendors to
determine ways to become more profitable. Since IDS currently has no
solvency concerns and IBM does not wish to create any, IBM is constantly
looking at alternative ways to expand the business without limiting
revenue potential.

So no bill is required as no value was provided.

Thanks!

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[mailto:informix-list-bounces@iiug.org] On Behalf Of Double Echo
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 2:26 PM
To: informix-list@iiug.org
Subject: Re: Looking for a job...

elanleblanc@yahoo.com wrote:
> Double Echo wrote:
>> ( IBM should be pushing Informix SE with PHP, and forget about 4GL.
PHP _is_ the
>> next generation 4GL. JGP maybe you should try to get onboard with
IBM and get them
>> up to speed with PHP/Informix SE )
>>
>
> Why with SE? Why not IDS? Cost?
>

IDS is too complicated to compete against MySQL. It's not even in the
same
ballpark. MySQL is an ISAM engine, SE is an ISAM engine. Both require
very
little to make them work. IDS competes with Oracle, Sybase, other
shared
memory products that require an advanced knowledge base to make them
successful.
SE uses the filesystem to create tables in ISAM format, requiring no
dbspaces
or special containers for the data. It is slightly more sophisticated
than
BerkeleyDB, another big owner of embedded databases that work at a more
primitive
level than ISAM, typically used for .htaccess password databases.

MySQL is easy to set up, easy to use, compatible with a lot of
implementations,
both internal intranets and external sites like you find with Internet
Service
Providers who love MySQL, many who would offer Informix if it were
painless to
install, and the license is the same as MySQL. A typical MySQL ISAM
installation
takes 30 seconds, including putting the /etc/init.d/mysql start/stop
script in
place, and starting the daemon.

There is NO license cost to set it up, install, and run MySQL. If you
want support
you pay for it. See www.mysql.com for support license costs.

For example, ISP's install MySQL for the ease of use, relatively
maintenance-free
environment, 30-second install, and ISAM-tables that require only a
mysqldump backup.
Restores are quick-n-easy too. Very easy to admin. A typical ISP
employs system
admins that have to know very little to maintain MySQL, not to mention
third-party
tool providers like PLesk, Hsphere, phpMyAdmin and other web-based
website management
tool providers that make the process painless to administer using MySQL.
They _only_
use MySQL because it's easy to put in place.

You will find more sophisticated sites using not only MySQL, but
PostGres, DB2,
Oracle. But the website ball gets rolling with the TRUE embedded
database, MySQL.
MySQL is fast and integrates well with other database engines simply
because it is
non-intrusive on a system. When you get bigger datasets, then you get
an appropriate
engine. In the meantime MySQL owns that space. Developers have to have
a no-BS
offer to use a database engine. That typically means ZERO cost out of
pocket.

BTW, there are many ISPs who are even offering MS-SQL-Server for
websites with an
ISP license for those who just can't do without ASP. (
MS-SQL-Server/ASP is the
stack for Microsoft developers. )

If you want to understand MySQL, go where MySQL lives, on web servers.
What
web servers? Apache:

http://news.netcraft.com/archives/20..._server_survey.
html

If Apache is the number one web server, what are people doing with it:

http://www.securityspace.com/s_surve...pachemods.html

> If a development suite were no charge (the tools and the database),
but
> production/distribution was where the cost kicked in, would more
people
> develop on that base?
>

Yes. If you want support you pay for it. But _YOU_ IBM must have a
MySQL
clone license if you want to go head-to-head with MySQL. Until you do
that
developers will question whether or not it is worth their time. You
should
include ISP's in your marketing so they can become familiar with
something
a developer would want to use. And you have to announce it outside the
Informix family, it has to show up on slashdot, freshmeat, sourceforge,
etc.

Here's how it works. A developer buys a cheap PC, slaps FREE Linux on
it,
then downloads or installs the version of MySQL that they want. The
license
is completely out of the way ( free ), so the developer knows they can
develop
like a raped ape and make applications they know will work on
practically any
Linux box, whether it's on a corporate lan or an ISP-hosted system.
Totally
portable environment. Perl is also big in this space.

Now that I've done your research I'll send you an invoice.

> Christine
>

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Christine Normile wrote:
> Duh - I'm very well aware of how MySQL works and their solvency
> concerns and their efforts to work with established RDBMS vendors to
> determine ways to become more profitable. Since IDS currently has no
> solvency concerns and IBM does not wish to create any, IBM is constantly
> looking at alternative ways to expand the business without limiting
> revenue potential.
>
> So no bill is required as no value was provided.
>
> Thanks!
>

I was hoping your arrogance wouldn't pop up, but you proved me right
again. The key difference between me and you is that if I had your
job I'd actually be marketing Informix and actively trying to make it
succeed. You join a long list of lumps of useless shit occupying a
chair at IBM doing absolutely nothing for Informix. What a completely
useless, waste of time you are. The most amazing part is that you
actually think you are important, when you are actually just somebody
IBM is using to sit on the product, nothing more than a placeholder.

And by the way, using "solvency concerns" is your way of trying to
diminish or devalue the product, when the reality is that MySQL is
being used in more places than Informix. They seeded their market
and can choose to charge money for it at any time. You, IBM/Informix
on the other hand have done a marvelous job at un-seeding the market
for Informix and making sure Informix is unknown, and will eventually
disappear. I think if Informix were on its own instead of being
hidden by IBM you certainly wouldn't be singing the same arrogant
tune--nor would you even have a job there. I could easily do your
job 100x better without even trying. You have no will to win or
succeed, what a waste of an opportunity.

Thanks!

"Double Echo" <doubleecho@your.com> wrote in message
news:zPefg.105453$v%2.68251@fe29.usenetserver.com. ..

> I was hoping your arrogance wouldn't pop up, but you proved me right
> again. The key difference between me and you is that if I had your
> job I'd actually be marketing Informix and actively trying to make it
> succeed. You join a long list of lumps of useless shit occupying a
> chair at IBM doing absolutely nothing for Informix. What a completely
> useless, waste of time you are. The most amazing part is that you
> actually think you are important, when you are actually just somebody
> IBM is using to sit on the product, nothing more than a placeholder.
>
> And by the way, using "solvency concerns" is your way of trying to
> diminish or devalue the product, when the reality is that MySQL is
> being used in more places than Informix. They seeded their market
> and can choose to charge money for it at any time. You, IBM/Informix
> on the other hand have done a marvelous job at un-seeding the market
> for Informix and making sure Informix is unknown, and will eventually
> disappear. I think if Informix were on its own instead of being
> hidden by IBM you certainly wouldn't be singing the same arrogant
> tune--nor would you even have a job there. I could easily do your
> job 100x better without even trying. You have no will to win or
> succeed, what a waste of an opportunity.

Could you say what you really think more clearly, please?

Double Echo said:
> I could easily do your
> job 100x better without even trying.

While working for IBM?

--
Bye now,
Obnoxio

"... no bill is required as no value was provided."
-- Christine Normile

Mr. Echo,

Somehow I'll bet you wouldn't be writing such rude and vulgar things to this
group if you were using your real name.

Ben


----- Original Message -----
From: "Double Echo" <doubleecho@your.com>
Newsgroups: comp.databases.informix
To: <informix-list@iiug.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 7:09 AM
Subject: Re: Looking for a job...


> Christine Normile wrote:
>> Duh - I'm very well aware of how MySQL works and their solvency
>> concerns and their efforts to work with established RDBMS vendors to
>> determine ways to become more profitable. Since IDS currently has no
>> solvency concerns and IBM does not wish to create any, IBM is constantly
>> looking at alternative ways to expand the business without limiting
>> revenue potential.
>>
>> So no bill is required as no value was provided.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>
> I was hoping your arrogance wouldn't pop up, but you proved me right
> again. The key difference between me and you is that if I had your
> job I'd actually be marketing Informix and actively trying to make it
> succeed. You join a long list of lumps of useless shit occupying a
> chair at IBM doing absolutely nothing for Informix. What a completely
> useless, waste of time you are. The most amazing part is that you
> actually think you are important, when you are actually just somebody
> IBM is using to sit on the product, nothing more than a placeholder.
>
> And by the way, using "solvency concerns" is your way of trying to
> diminish or devalue the product, when the reality is that MySQL is
> being used in more places than Informix. They seeded their market
> and can choose to charge money for it at any time. You, IBM/Informix
> on the other hand have done a marvelous job at un-seeding the market
> for Informix and making sure Informix is unknown, and will eventually
> disappear. I think if Informix were on its own instead of being
> hidden by IBM you certainly wouldn't be singing the same arrogant
> tune--nor would you even have a job there. I could easily do your
> job 100x better without even trying. You have no will to win or
> succeed, what a waste of an opportunity.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
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> Christine Normile wrote:
> > Duh - I'm very well aware of how MySQL works and their solvency
> > concerns and their efforts to work with established RDBMS vendors to
> > determine ways to become more profitable. Since IDS
> currently has no
> > solvency concerns and IBM does not wish to create any, IBM
> is constantly
> > looking at alternative ways to expand the business without limiting
> > revenue potential.
> >
> > So no bill is required as no value was provided.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
>
> I was hoping your arrogance wouldn't pop up, but you proved me right
> again. The key difference between me and you is that if I had your
> job I'd actually be marketing Informix and actively trying to make it
> succeed. You join a long list of lumps of useless shit occupying a
> chair at IBM doing absolutely nothing for Informix.
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You are not very upto date