Yes, you are right, he's asking about public blitz.

But I have a question.... .does IBM really blitz that way? Yes, they
market "information on demand" .... I see the commercials and print
ads..... but I don't know if I can say I specifically see television
commercials about DB2 outside of tech related stuff.

So are we asking for something for informix that IBM just doesn't do in
general?

..... I will duck for the tomatoe throwing now....


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"Sebastian, Norma J." <NormaJean.Sebastian@tellabs.com> wrote in message

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>> Were you at the Information on Demand conference?
>> It was pretty "blitzy" there.
>> There was a chat with the labs the other day ('run Cheetah run')

Possibly he means an information blitz to the public at large, rather
than
the occasional "Preach to the choir" event ...?


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No tomatoes!

:-)

I get an email every week from IBM called "IBM iSource -- U.S. Announcements"
using the email_address info@isource.ibm.com

In that email is a URL for all kinds of announcements under Hardware, Software,
Marketing, Services, Withdrawals, and a summary:
http://www-306.ibm.com/common/ssi/fc...um=ENUSC06-050

==

I get another email every week from IBM called the IBM Software Newsletter,
using the email_address swnews@ibm.delivery.net

It has Features, New offers, Innovations and a bunch of information on new software:
http://www-306.ibm.com/software/info...er/latest.html


==

So the big question is, who dropped the ball? Why isn't Informix news in any of
these newsletters or online references????????????????????????????????????






Sebastian, Norma J. wrote:
> Yes, you are right, he's asking about public blitz.
>
> But I have a question.... .does IBM really blitz that way? Yes, they
> market "information on demand" .... I see the commercials and print
> ads..... but I don't know if I can say I specifically see television
> commercials about DB2 outside of tech related stuff.
>
> So are we asking for something for informix that IBM just doesn't do in
> general?
>
> .... I will duck for the tomatoe throwing now....
>

"Sebastian, Norma J." <NormaJean.Sebastian@tellabs.com> wrote in message
news:mailman.123.1161972366.29126.informix-list@iiug.org...

>> Yes, you are right, he's asking about public blitz.

>> But I have a question.... .does IBM really blitz that way? Yes, they
market "information on demand" .... I see the commercials and print
ads..... but I don't know if I can say I specifically see television
commercials about DB2 outside of tech related stuff.

>> So are we asking for something for informix that IBM just doesn't do in
general?

Not really. Here in England-land we are innundated with adverts
specifically for D2 UDB, v8 or latterly v9. Sometimes these mention
Informix and Cloudscape, but do not believe this "We advertise brands, not
products" line. It is, to use that charming phrase, a Crock of Shit.

The head sales person in IBM worldwide for databases has been in the UK this
week at IBM Software Live! See the programme here:
https://www-926.ibm.com/events/swgp/...QUUTES&lang=en.

To address your point, I don't know if in the US you see specific DB2 ads on
TV. Possibly not: the truly lamentable generic IBM ads we are seeing here
in the UK on TV and in the press are clearly American, so I guess we're
getting the same as you. But we do sporadically get DB2 UDB ads in the
press, but NEVER Informix ...

Sebastian, Norma J. wrote:

> So are we asking for something for informix that IBM just doesn't do in
> general?

No!

Next question.

If one pays attention to what IBM does ... rather than what IBM says.
Then it is remarkably clear that not one dollar, beyond what Informix
brings in from the current installed base, will be spent on the product.
--
Daniel A. Morgan
University of Washington
damorgan@x.washington.edu
(replace x with u to respond)
Puget Sound Oracle Users Group
www.psoug.org

> Sebastian, Norma J. wrote:
>
> > So are we asking for something for informix that IBM just
> doesn't do
> > in general?
>
> No!
>
> Next question.
>
> If one pays attention to what IBM does ... rather than what IBM says.
> Then it is remarkably clear that not one dollar, beyond what
> Informix brings in from the current installed base, will be
> spent on the product.

There is a significant and steadily increasing dev budget for the
Informix product set.


Paul Watson
Tel: +44 1414161772
Mob: +44 7818003457
Web: www.oninit.com

GO FURTHER with DB2
GET THERE FASTER with Informix.
Attend IDUG 2007 San Jose, North America
May 6-10, 2006
Visit http://www.iiug.org/conf for more information.

Paul Watson wrote:
>> Sebastian, Norma J. wrote:
>>
>>> So are we asking for something for informix that IBM just
>> doesn't do
>>> in general?
>> No!
>>
>> Next question.
>>
>> If one pays attention to what IBM does ... rather than what IBM says.
>> Then it is remarkably clear that not one dollar, beyond what
>> Informix brings in from the current installed base, will be
>> spent on the product.
>
> There is a significant and steadily increasing dev budget for the
> Informix product set.
>
>
> Paul Watson
> Tel: +44 1414161772
> Mob: +44 7818003457
> Web: www.oninit.com
>
> GO FURTHER with DB2
> GET THERE FASTER with Informix.
> Attend IDUG 2007 San Jose, North America
> May 6-10, 2006
> Visit http://www.iiug.org/conf for more information.

I didn't say they wouldn't spend money. I said they wouldn't spend
money beyond that brought in by the current installed base. This is
no difference from Oracle and RDB which has been around for a very
long time too. Development continues. Marketing dollars do not exist.
--
Daniel A. Morgan
University of Washington
damorgan@x.washington.edu
(replace x with u to respond)
Puget Sound Oracle Users Group
www.psoug.org

"DA Morgan" <damorgan@psoug.org> wrote in message
news:1162059378.644676@bubbleator.drizzle.com..
..
> I didn't say they wouldn't spend money. I said they wouldn't spend
> money beyond that brought in by the current installed base. This is
> no difference from Oracle and RDB which has been around for a very
> long time too. Development continues. Marketing dollars do not exist.

what enhancements did Oracle do for RDB after they
bought. For all said and done, IBM has made huge enhancements to
Informix. I am not entirely convinced that these improvements
are done just to keep the current installed base happy. Have you
looked at latest Informix and the upcoming version. Your favorite
quote "Oracle read does not block write and vice versa" is being
implemented in Informix and I have no doubt that it will be better
than Oracle. Why would anyone invest in a product which they
are planning to deprecate.

Cisco must have seen a reason to go for Informix for their
next generation application. Do you know that off the shelf
Informix without any tuning outperformed Oracle. Now
don't start your usual crap about Cisco DBAs not knowing
how to tune Oracle. CISCO is a huge Oracle shop and
have (at least use to have) 34 dbas on their payroll.


This is the application of Cisco
http://news.com.com/Cisco%20dishes%2...3-6119402.html

Before you shoot off from your mouth, lemme remind you of
your prediction in Jun 2001 that IBM will not sell Informix
in 5 yrs.

Tambi Dude wrote:
> "DA Morgan" <damorgan@psoug.org> wrote in message
> news:1162059378.644676@bubbleator.drizzle.com..
> .
>> I didn't say they wouldn't spend money. I said they wouldn't spend
>> money beyond that brought in by the current installed base. This is
>> no difference from Oracle and RDB which has been around for a very
>> long time too. Development continues. Marketing dollars do not exist.
>
> what enhancements did Oracle do for RDB after they
> bought.

http://www.oracle.com/technology/sof...db7/index.html

There was a new release of the product on 19-June of this year.

Perhaps you missed it because THERE ARE NO MARKETING DOLLARS! ;-)
--
Daniel A. Morgan
University of Washington
damorgan@x.washington.edu
(replace x with u to respond)
Puget Sound Oracle Users Group
www.psoug.org

"DA Morgan" <damorgan@psoug.org> wrote in message
news:1162067233.388732@bubbleator.drizzle.com...
> http://www.oracle.com/technology/sof...db7/index.html
>
> There was a new release of the product on 19-June of this year.

HUGE ENHANCEMENT IS THE KEY WORD.

Can you show some huge enhancements in RDB. Can you show a customer like
CISCO opting for RDB over other RDBMS for some next generation killer
application.

BTW taken from Guy's blog:-

"
Informix Q3 Results

Thanks Informix Zone for making the Executive Roundtable slides available
for download. Buried within this presentation is the fact that Informix
licence revenue grew by double digits in all three quarters this year. The
rise of Informix continues.
"

http://www-03.ibm.com/developerworks...mix_q3_results


I do agree that long term I don't see much future for Informix, but at the
same time
I have to give credit to IBM for investing in it significantly.

> "DA Morgan" <damorgan@psoug.org> wrote in message
> news:1162067233.388732@bubbleator.drizzle.com...
> > http://www.oracle.com/technology/sof...db7/index.html
> >
> > There was a new release of the product on 19-June of this year.
>
> HUGE ENHANCEMENT IS THE KEY WORD.
>
> Can you show some huge enhancements in RDB. Can you show a
> customer like CISCO opting for RDB over other RDBMS for some
> next generation killer application.
>
> BTW taken from Guy's blog:-
>
> "
> Informix Q3 Results
>
> Thanks Informix Zone for making the Executive Roundtable
> slides available for download. Buried within this
> presentation is the fact that Informix licence revenue grew
> by double digits in all three quarters this year. The rise of
> Informix continues.
> "
>
> http://www-03.ibm.com/developerworks...gbowerman?entr
> y=informix_q3_results
>
>
> I do agree that long term I don't see much future for
> Informix, but at the same time I have to give credit to IBM
> for investing in it significantly.

Get a new Crystal ball :-)

Paul Watson
Tel: +44 1414161772
Mob: +44 7818003457
Web: www.oninit.com

GO FURTHER with DB2
GET THERE FASTER with Informix.
Attend IDUG 2007 San Jose, North America
May 6-10, 2006
Visit http://www.iiug.org/conf for more information.