It's amazing what you can turn up on google:

'Daniel A. Morgan Jun 17 2001, 1:17 am
Newsgroups: comp.databases.oracle.server
From: "Daniel A. Morgan" <dmor...@exesolutions.com> - Find messages by
this author
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 18:16:32 -0700
Local: Sun, Jun 17 2001 1:16 am
Subject: Re: informix/oracle comparison

wayne wrote:
> > Are you, officially as a representative of IBM, stating that IBM will
> continue
> > to support and offer new versions of Informix as an independent product
> for the
> > foreseeable future? Or are you just playing defense?

> Why don't you do your own research? the first hit returned on ibm.com if
> you search for "Informix" says they will continue to support and update
> Informix:

> http://www-4.ibm.com/software/data/news/pr2.html

Beg your pardon but the web site does not claim that they will continue to
support the product for the foreseeable future. In fact it doesn't even
guarantee a new version. It says updates which I read as "bug fixes".

And providing a path for Informix customers does not necessarily mean new
version with new features. It could mean ... migrate to DB/2 Universal
Server.

I understand your loyalty to your employer. I understand you are in the
cheerleading section. But quite frankly if Informix is still being
marketed as an independent product five years from now I'll be shocked.
And as someone else pointed out ... this is the company whose commitment
to OS/2 was rock solid.

Daniel A. Morgan '

So, I wonder who this nebbish is, and whether he's counting down the 206
days till IBM discontinues support for Informix as an independent product.

Because he couldn't be wrong, now could he?

--
Bye now,
Obnoxio

"C'est pas parce qu'on n'a rien ` dire qu'il faut fermer sa gueule"
- Coluche

did i mention i like nulls? heck, i even go so far as to say that all
columns in a table except the primary key could/should be nullable. this
has certain advantages, for example, if you need to insert a child record
and you don't have a parent row for it, just do an insert into the parent
table with the primary key value (everything else null), and voila,
relational integrity is preserved. but this is, admittedly, a bit
controversial among modellers.

--r937, dbforums.com
sending to informix-list

The website referenced below has been taken down as it no longer
accurately reflects IBM's position regarding Informix Dynamic Server.
Informix Dynamic Server is an IBM flagship database. 2005 has been a
banner year for IDS. In February, we announced IDS v10.0, the most
significant enhancement to IDS since v9 was introduced in the 1990's.
In April, we followed with the introduction of IDS Express Edition for
small to medium businesses. In October, Express Runtime for IDS was
introduced by IBM Software Group to provide ISV's an integrated
web-based infrastructure based on WebSphere Application Server Express
and IDS Express. Earlier this month, we made our Level 5 PHP driver
for IDS available for Beta. And the year is not over. By year end, we
plan to make our Oracle to IDS Migration Tool Kit (MTK) available. And
we've started planning for new IDS and IDS based products in 2006.

While we don't typically set detail plans five years in advance, IDS
vNext is underway and customers and business partners will be very
pleased with many of the features planned for this release. We will
begin high level discussions for IDS vNext+ in 2006. We will be
forming an IDS Customer Advisory Council in 2006 to help guide our
future product directions and provide feedback on existing products.

A couple of things that have been discussed since the acquisition will
not happen. IDS and DB2 will not merge. IDS customers will not be
required to move to DB2.

We are working to grow our business through direct customers and
through business partners. We are working to get business partners
enabled to IDS v10.0 and recruiting new business partners to build
applications on IDS. We are playing offense and we have a very
ambitious goal.

Christine Normile
IDS Product Manager
IBM Software Group
Information Management

Email Christine.Normile@us.ibm.com

Obnoxio The Clown wrote:
> It's amazing what you can turn up on google:
>
> 'Daniel A. Morgan Jun 17 2001, 1:17 am
> Newsgroups: comp.databases.oracle.server
> From: "Daniel A. Morgan" <dmor...@exesolutions.com> - Find messages by
> this author
> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 18:16:32 -0700
> Local: Sun, Jun 17 2001 1:16 am
> Subject: Re: informix/oracle comparison
>
> wayne wrote:
> > > Are you, officially as a representative of IBM, stating that IBM will
> > continue
> > > to support and offer new versions of Informix as an independent product
> > for the
> > > foreseeable future? Or are you just playing defense?
>
> > Why don't you do your own research? the first hit returned on ibm.com if
> > you search for "Informix" says they will continue to support and update
> > Informix:
>
> > http://www-4.ibm.com/software/data/news/pr2.html
>
> Beg your pardon but the web site does not claim that they will continue to
> support the product for the foreseeable future. In fact it doesn't even
> guarantee a new version. It says updates which I read as "bug fixes".
>
> And providing a path for Informix customers does not necessarily mean new
> version with new features. It could mean ... migrate to DB/2 Universal
> Server.
>
> I understand your loyalty to your employer. I understand you are in the
> cheerleading section. But quite frankly if Informix is still being
> marketed as an independent product five years from now I'll be shocked.
> And as someone else pointed out ... this is the company whose commitment
> to OS/2 was rock solid.
>
> Daniel A. Morgan '
>
> So, I wonder who this nebbish is, and whether he's counting down the 206
> days till IBM discontinues support for Informix as an independent product.
>
> Because he couldn't be wrong, now could he?
>
> --
> Bye now,
> Obnoxio
>
> "C'est pas parce qu'on n'a rien ` dire qu'il faut fermer sa gueule"
> - Coluche
>
> did i mention i like nulls? heck, i even go so far as to say that all
> columns in a table except the primary key could/should be nullable. this
> has certain advantages, for example, if you need to insert a child record
> and you don't have a parent row for it, just do an insert into the parent
> table with the primary key value (everything else null), and voila,
> relational integrity is preserved. but this is, admittedly, a bit
> controversial among modellers.
>
> --r937, dbforums.com
> sending to informix-list

"Obnoxio The Clown" <obnoxio@serendipita.com> wrote in message
news:dluvrf$pdt$1@news.xmission.com...
>
> It's amazing what you can turn up on google:
>
> 'Daniel A. Morgan Jun 17 2001, 1:17 am
> Newsgroups: comp.databases.oracle.server

> So, I wonder who this nebbish is, and whether he's counting down the 206
> days till IBM discontinues support for Informix as an independent product.
>
> Because he couldn't be wrong, now could he?

He did actually say " ...is still being *marketed* ..." (my emphasis).
Also, it's actually 207 days until 17/06/2006.

Good!

GOOD!!!

i miss one thing though:
start talking to SAP so they'll support informix in the future.

Superboer.


Elan Le Blanc schreef:

> The website referenced below has been taken down as it no longer
> accurately reflects IBM's position regarding Informix Dynamic Server.
> Informix Dynamic Server is an IBM flagship database. 2005 has been a
> banner year for IDS. In February, we announced IDS v10.0, the most
> significant enhancement to IDS since v9 was introduced in the 1990's.
> In April, we followed with the introduction of IDS Express Edition for
> small to medium businesses. In October, Express Runtime for IDS was
> introduced by IBM Software Group to provide ISV's an integrated
> web-based infrastructure based on WebSphere Application Server Express
> and IDS Express. Earlier this month, we made our Level 5 PHP driver
> for IDS available for Beta. And the year is not over. By year end, we
> plan to make our Oracle to IDS Migration Tool Kit (MTK) available. And
> we've started planning for new IDS and IDS based products in 2006.
>
> While we don't typically set detail plans five years in advance, IDS
> vNext is underway and customers and business partners will be very
> pleased with many of the features planned for this release. We will
> begin high level discussions for IDS vNext+ in 2006. We will be
> forming an IDS Customer Advisory Council in 2006 to help guide our
> future product directions and provide feedback on existing products.
>
> A couple of things that have been discussed since the acquisition will
> not happen. IDS and DB2 will not merge. IDS customers will not be
> required to move to DB2.
>
> We are working to grow our business through direct customers and
> through business partners. We are working to get business partners
> enabled to IDS v10.0 and recruiting new business partners to build
> applications on IDS. We are playing offense and we have a very
> ambitious goal.
>
> Christine Normile
> IDS Product Manager
> IBM Software Group
> Information Management
>
> Email Christine.Normile@us.ibm.com
>
> Obnoxio The Clown wrote:
> > It's amazing what you can turn up on google:
> >
> > 'Daniel A. Morgan Jun 17 2001, 1:17 am
> > Newsgroups: comp.databases.oracle.server
> > From: "Daniel A. Morgan" <dmor...@exesolutions.com> - Find messages by
> > this author
> > Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 18:16:32 -0700
> > Local: Sun, Jun 17 2001 1:16 am
> > Subject: Re: informix/oracle comparison
> >
> > wayne wrote:
> > > > Are you, officially as a representative of IBM, stating that IBM will
> > > continue
> > > > to support and offer new versions of Informix as an independent product
> > > for the
> > > > foreseeable future? Or are you just playing defense?
> >
> > > Why don't you do your own research? the first hit returned on ibm.com if
> > > you search for "Informix" says they will continue to support and update
> > > Informix:
> >
> > > http://www-4.ibm.com/software/data/news/pr2.html
> >
> > Beg your pardon but the web site does not claim that they will continue to
> > support the product for the foreseeable future. In fact it doesn't even
> > guarantee a new version. It says updates which I read as "bug fixes".
> >
> > And providing a path for Informix customers does not necessarily mean new
> > version with new features. It could mean ... migrate to DB/2 Universal
> > Server.
> >
> > I understand your loyalty to your employer. I understand you are in the
> > cheerleading section. But quite frankly if Informix is still being
> > marketed as an independent product five years from now I'll be shocked.
> > And as someone else pointed out ... this is the company whose commitment
> > to OS/2 was rock solid.
> >
> > Daniel A. Morgan '
> >
> > So, I wonder who this nebbish is, and whether he's counting down the 206
> > days till IBM discontinues support for Informix as an independent product.
> >
> > Because he couldn't be wrong, now could he?
> >
> > --
> > Bye now,
> > Obnoxio
> >
> > "C'est pas parce qu'on n'a rien ` dire qu'il faut fermer sa gueule"
> > - Coluche
> >
> > did i mention i like nulls? heck, i even go so far as to say that all
> > columns in a table except the primary key could/should be nullable. this
> > has certain advantages, for example, if you need to insert a child record
> > and you don't have a parent row for it, just do an insert into the parent
> > table with the primary key value (everything else null), and voila,
> > relational integrity is preserved. but this is, admittedly, a bit
> > controversial among modellers.
> >
> > --r937, dbforums.com
> > sending to informix-list

On 23 Nov 2005 00:10:03 -0800, "Superboer" <superboer7@planet.nl>
wrote:

>GOOD!!!
>
>i miss one thing though:
>start talking to SAP so they'll support informix in the future.
>

And BMC (Patrol)
And Lawson

JWC

Elan Le Blanc wrote:
> The website referenced below has been taken down as it no longer
> accurately reflects IBM's position regarding Informix Dynamic Server.
> Informix Dynamic Server is an IBM flagship database. 2005 has been a
> banner year for IDS. In February, we announced IDS v10.0, the most
> significant enhancement to IDS since v9 was introduced in the 1990's.
> In April, we followed with the introduction of IDS Express Edition for
> small to medium businesses. In October, Express Runtime for IDS was
> introduced by IBM Software Group to provide ISV's an integrated
> web-based infrastructure based on WebSphere Application Server Express
> and IDS Express. Earlier this month, we made our Level 5 PHP driver
> for IDS available for Beta. And the year is not over. By year end, we
> plan to make our Oracle to IDS Migration Tool Kit (MTK) available. And
> we've started planning for new IDS and IDS based products in 2006.
>
> While we don't typically set detail plans five years in advance, IDS
> vNext is underway and customers and business partners will be very
> pleased with many of the features planned for this release. We will
> begin high level discussions for IDS vNext+ in 2006. We will be
> forming an IDS Customer Advisory Council in 2006 to help guide our
> future product directions and provide feedback on existing products.
>
> A couple of things that have been discussed since the acquisition will
> not happen. IDS and DB2 will not merge. IDS customers will not be
> required to move to DB2.
>
> We are working to grow our business through direct customers and
> through business partners. We are working to get business partners
> enabled to IDS v10.0 and recruiting new business partners to build
> applications on IDS. We are playing offense and we have a very
> ambitious goal.
>
> Christine Normile
> IDS Product Manager
> IBM Software Group
> Information Management
>
> Email Christine.Normile@us.ibm.com
>

So when does the marketing program begin where we would see advertising
and visible indications that support your activity?

How will you differentiate Informix from DB2? These are peer products.

Very soon...I'm going to be kicking IBM up the arse real soon now.

Planned to do it from within the IIUG but after the fuckup I'm going to
have to do
it in public. Great so I'll be giving ammo to Oracle/MSoft. F**king
Brilliant.