Dans article <m98nmv07gt57q94hqvsik6cgo3sc10i0d4@4ax.com>, no@spam.com
disait...
>
> This is a double edged sword. The more automated and "Boxed" the OS
> is, the more PITA it becomes to adjust it to your needs and undestrand
> it.
>

Sure. That's why I prefer Slackware Linux for my personal use...

> This is not intended to be a linux-slaming, but rather a voice against
> all those "GUI Installation Wizards" I see in most important distros
> today (Linux folks bash FreeBSD, Solaris and others for their
> text-based install nowdays, guess most of those "Sysadmins" never
> installed anything from a serial console... sigh).
>

Linux is still far from perfect; its IO performance and especially FS
performance is very poor, and to get proper numbers from a FC array needs
to tweak heavily the kernel. However, you've really got bang for your
bucks.

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> + On 18-Sep-03 21:44:00
+Emmanuel Florac <eflorac@imaginet.fr> wrote

>Dans article <Pine.LNX.4.44.0309181543470.2424-
>100000@kerouac.projectcolo.org.uk>, sjh@waroffice.net disait...
>>
>> Cheap as long as your time is worthless.
>>

>Old legend. Stupid windows newbies complain hoooow Linux is difficult and
>arcane. However, for a skilled unix administrator it's a breeze. Current
>distributions install in less than an hour and just work. They recognize
>out of the box SCSI cards, Fibre Channel cards, Giga Ethernet cards, RAID
>cards and autoconfigure everything. Linux is WAY EASIER to install than
>Solaris, IRIX or whatver Unix you like.

Yes, but they are made for different people, all commercial unixes are
made with the professional user in mind, and a normalskilled unixuser have
NO problems installing a Sun or SGI machine.

Windows is made for idiots, so even a idiot can install it.. linux
tries to copy windows in "easy to install" aspect..
(And is very good at it, I would say that except for partitioning
its easier to install redhat9 than win2000)

However, the installation is a very small part of the total system
administration, the reason that I "always" choose sun hardware for
servers are that it never get any compatiblity problems.. Also I
think that Solaris is better built than linux, even if linux also
works fine as a server.. it just takes more administration.


>Another reason for that old legend is RedHat (and rpm). RPM sucks rocks
>badly, and RedHat sucks even more. Unfortunately, for most Linux==Redhat,

The big problem with RPM's are dependencies.

>which is bad. However, Mandrake, Debian and others made nice tools to
>resolve automatically dependancies between application packages and it
>all goes fine without pain nor headache.

It's pretty easy on both Solaris and IRIX too you know.. since they
both have their own packageformats. SGI even have a fluffy webinterface
to install software over the net with.

On 20 Sep 2003 17:37:3 +0100,
Glenn <glenn@IREPORTEVERYSPAMMER.canit.se>, in
<1973.393T192T10570916Glenn@canit.se> wrote:

+> Windows is made for idiots, so even a idiot can install it..

Unless you have to install on bare metal, in which case it can be
simple, or it can cause you to gnash your teeth...

James
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isn't looking good, either.
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