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I have an Ultra 80, and a UMAX 1220S 'SCSI' scanner. I put SCSI in
quotes, as I don't belive it really conforms to the SCSI scandard at
all, with its 25-pin DIN connectors as SCSI connectors. I did get a
68-25 pin cable, which may or may not be very good. I have two of
them, neither of which work relieably.

I often used to need to switch the Sun and scanner on/off several
times before the scanner could be seen at the OBP, and that was with
the scanner on its own bus.

I've tried running the cable direct to the scanner, which probably
means the high bits don't get terminated, but the low bits do. Then I
tried connecting it on a Sun 611 box, which should sort out the
termination. But it has never wroked too well.

Today the scanner's 12V 1A PSU died. I found another similar PSU I had
laying around, but I can't get the scanner to be seen on the bus. So I
rekon this is fit for the dustbin.

Does anyone have any suggestions on a scanner that has 68-pin SCSI
connectors and can be used relieably with a Sun (I have a U80)? I only
want this to scan the occasional letter for home use, but are well
aware I'm going to need to spend more money than a low-end USB one.


Dr. David Kirkby
david
dot
kirkby
@ onetel --dot-- net

Who cares anyway wrote:
> I have an Ultra 80, and a UMAX 1220S 'SCSI' scanner. I put SCSI in
> quotes, as I don't belive it really conforms to the SCSI scandard at
> all, with its 25-pin DIN connectors as SCSI connectors. I did get a
> 68-25 pin cable, which may or may not be very good. I have two of
> them, neither of which work relieably.
>
> I often used to need to switch the Sun and scanner on/off several
> times before the scanner could be seen at the OBP, and that was with
> the scanner on its own bus.
>
> I've tried running the cable direct to the scanner, which probably
> means the high bits don't get terminated, but the low bits do. Then I
> tried connecting it on a Sun 611 box, which should sort out the
> termination. But it has never wroked too well.
>
> Today the scanner's 12V 1A PSU died. I found another similar PSU I had
> laying around, but I can't get the scanner to be seen on the bus. So I
> rekon this is fit for the dustbin.
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions on a scanner that has 68-pin SCSI
> connectors and can be used relieably with a Sun (I have a U80)? I only
> want this to scan the occasional letter for home use, but are well
> aware I'm going to need to spend more money than a low-end USB one.
>
>
> Dr. David Kirkby
> david
> dot
> kirkby
> @ onetel --dot-- net


http://www.sun.com/io_technologies/Input.html

Ricoh - FS2 Color Image Scanner
Ricoh - IS420 Image Scanner

These price out much higher than consumer scanners but are on the
Solaris Ready list and known to work. A search on google found at
least one vendor who had the above FS2 for £145.

Alternatively you could add a USB PCI card
(http://www.sun.com/io_technologies/PCI.html) and connect a USB
scanner. Then use something like:
http://www.bolthole.com/solaris/driv...epsonscan.html


Elias

Who cares anyway <sorry_no_known_address@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I have an Ultra 80, and a UMAX 1220S 'SCSI' scanner. I put SCSI in
> quotes, as I don't belive it really conforms to the SCSI scandard at
> all, with its 25-pin DIN connectors as SCSI connectors. I did get a
> 68-25 pin cable, which may or may not be very good. I have two of
> them, neither of which work relieably.

Uhm. Sounds links "Mac"-SCSI. I hate them too.

> [...]

> Does anyone have any suggestions on a scanner that has 68-pin SCSI
> connectors and can be used relieably with a Sun (I have a U80)? I only
> want this to scan the occasional letter for home use, but are well
> aware I'm going to need to spend more money than a low-end USB one.

If you like to stick with SCSI why not check on ebay/junk heap of
an local university for an HP Scanjet 4C (aka HP 6100C)? I use
one on my U2 on a regular basis. Scaning is done via SANE over
network on a PCeee and a Mac. Works very well for my purposes.

It's connected on a SBUS FAS (68pin) card using a 68-to-50pin
Converter whose upper 8bits are actively terminated. Got these on
a sale from <http://www.extend.de/>. (They are good in SCSI; just
a satisfied customer... :-) )

--volker
--
Work like you dont`t need the money, dance like no one is
watching and love like you`ve never been hurt...

Volker Schmidt <volkomat@despammed.com> wrote in message news:<cekquf$lub$1@blaster.internal.volkomat.org>. ..
>
> If you like to stick with SCSI why not check on ebay/junk heap of
> an local university for an HP Scanjet 4C (aka HP 6100C)? I use
> one on my U2 on a regular basis. Scaning is done via SANE over
> network on a PCeee and a Mac. Works very well for my purposes.
>
> It's connected on a SBUS FAS (68pin) card using a 68-to-50pin
> Converter whose upper 8bits are actively terminated. Got these on
> a sale from <http://www.extend.de/>. (They are good in SCSI; just
> a satisfied customer... :-) )
>
> --volker

Yes agree compleatly.
I have had my Scanjet4C attached to the SUNBlade 100 via the X5010A
scsi card and a 68->50 pin scsi-converter cable .
Software was of course SANE and Xsane, worked werywell.
Now I have moved the scanner to the PC that runs FreeBSD & Java Desktop.


//Lars

lars.tunkrans@bredband.net (Lars Tunkrans) wrote in message news:<e5521f29.0408021328.54982504@posting.google. com>...
> Volker Schmidt <volkomat@despammed.com> wrote in message news:<cekquf$lub$1@blaster.internal.volkomat.org>. ..
> >
> > If you like to stick with SCSI why not check on ebay/junk heap of
> > an local university for an HP Scanjet 4C (aka HP 6100C)? I use
> > one on my U2 on a regular basis. Scaning is done via SANE over
> > network on a PCeee and a Mac. Works very well for my purposes.
> >
> > It's connected on a SBUS FAS (68pin) card using a 68-to-50pin
> > Converter whose upper 8bits are actively terminated. Got these on
> > a sale from <http://www.extend.de/>. (They are good in SCSI; just
> > a satisfied customer... :-) )
> >
> > --volker
>
> Yes agree compleatly.
> I have had my Scanjet4C attached to the SUNBlade 100 via the X5010A
> scsi card and a 68->50 pin scsi-converter cable .
> Software was of course SANE and Xsane, worked werywell.
> Now I have moved the scanner to the PC that runs FreeBSD & Java Desktop.
>
>
> //Lars

Does the HP Scanjet 4C use the standard SCSI-2 50-pin SCSI connector -
I got the feeling from somewhere (perhaps HP's site) that the
connector is a high density one. I'm not sure if 'high dentity' at the
time was anything with pins less than a quarter of an inch apart, or
if it is a bit unusual, requiring a special cable.

I guess looking at how scanners have progressed, and the cost of a new
USB one, there is something to be said for buying a USB one. I don't
think I have any more PCI slots free in my U80, although it does have
a SunPCi II pro card (a PC) with USB on it. I could use that, but it
means using Windoze to scan documents, which I'd rather not do.

I think one day I will have to give up with SCSI for home use, and
accept that it costs me far more than buying IDE/USB devices, and
perhaps my usage does not warrent sticking with SCSI.

(Dr. David Kirkby) wrote in message news:<c99d2c79.0408060935.2a994a4c@posting.google. com>...

>
> Does the HP Scanjet 4C use the standard SCSI-2 50-pin SCSI connector -
> I got the feeling from somewhere (perhaps HP's site) that the
> connector is a high density one. I'm not sure if 'high dentity' at the
> time was anything with pins less than a quarter of an inch apart, or
> if it is a bit unusual, requiring a special cable.
>
> I guess looking at how scanners have progressed, and the cost of a new
> USB one, there is something to be said for buying a USB one. I don't
> think I have any more PCI slots free in my U80, although it does have
> a SunPCi II pro card (a PC) with USB on it. I could use that, but it
> means using Windoze to scan documents, which I'd rather not do.
>
> I think one day I will have to give up with SCSI for home use, and
> accept that it costs me far more than buying IDE/USB devices, and
> perhaps my usage does not warrent sticking with SCSI.

My HP Scanjet 4c has the oldest SCSI-connector possible. A Centronics 50 pin.
Thats the same style connector that was used in the 1980'ies for parallell
printer ports. Its probably more than 10 years old now.


//Lars

sorry_no_known_address@hotmail.com (Who cares anyway) wrote in message news:<7e8b9873.0408011240.69c5a184@posting.google. com>...
> I have an Ultra 80, and a UMAX 1220S 'SCSI' scanner. I put SCSI in
> quotes, as I don't belive it really conforms to the SCSI scandard at
> all, with its 25-pin DIN connectors as SCSI connectors. I did get a
> 68-25 pin cable, which may or may not be very good. I have two of
> them, neither of which work relieably.

<snip>
> Does anyone have any suggestions on a scanner that has 68-pin SCSI
> connectors and can be used relieably with a Sun (I have a U80)? I only
> want this to scan the occasional letter for home use, but are well
> aware I'm going to need to spend more money than a low-end USB one.
>
>
> Dr. David Kirkby
> david
> dot
> kirkby
> @ onetel --dot-- net

Just thought I'd let people know this, just in case someone searches
the archives in future with this question in mind.

I bought an Epson Perfection 1200S from eBay for 20 pounds. It has the
scandard 50-pin SCSI-2 connectors (not the older centronics type). i.e
similar to the normal 68-pins one, but just 50-pins. 1200x2400 dpi
(10,200 x 14,040 pixels), 36-bit.

I connected that to the U80, with a 50 to 68-pin SCSI cable. I'm not
convinced that is ideal, as I suspect I am terminating the low bits on
the scanner, but the high bits are unterminated. Anyway, it seems to
work fine. None of the problems I had with the Umax - it is always
detected at the OBP (whereas the Umax and the Sun were always finicy).
The Epson is only seen at unit 0, whereas the Umax was seen at all of
the units (or is it LUNs?). No need for a 68 to 25 pin DIN lead.

The sane driver is consider 'complete' accoring to the sane hardware
support.

sane-backends-1.0.14
xsane-0.94
gcc 3.2.2

The only problem was that xsane would not work, always crashing. I
decided to remove the default -O2 optimisation, and then it was okay.

So all in all, the Epson Perfection 1200S seems a good bet for a cheap
scanner, and better than the HP 4C, as it has standard (by todays
standards) SCSI connectors. It is also mains powered (220-240 V AC),
which means one less of those silly power supplies. However, it does
of course mean if you are in the US, you need to get a 120 V version.
There is no 120/240 switch.

I hope that helps someone one day.

I doubt it is anywhere near as good as the more modern USB ones, but
being SCSI, it is one hell of a lot easier to integrate with a Sun.
The idea of adding a USB card to the Sun, then some software to force
make the USB look like SCSI, did not attract me too much.

In article <e5521f29.0408070644.4610d2f6@posting.google.com >, Lars
Tunkrans wrote:

>My HP Scanjet 4c has the oldest SCSI-connector possible. A Centronics 50 pin.
>Thats the same style connector that was used in the 1980'ies for parallell
>printer ports. Its probably more than 10 years old now.

As an aside, the printer plug is a 34 pin, IIRC. The C50 connector is
often referred to as a "SCSI-1" connector. Got a bloody big box of those
cables, with no apparent use at all.

--
Andre.

Email: andre at africa dot purplecow dot org.

In article <slrnchsd1r.8r9.nntempt@veldt.africa.purplecow.org > nntempt@africa.purplecow.org writes:
>In article <e5521f29.0408070644.4610d2f6@posting.google.com >, Lars
>Tunkrans wrote:
>
>>My HP Scanjet 4c has the oldest SCSI-connector possible. A Centronics 50 pin.
>>Thats the same style connector that was used in the 1980'ies for parallell
>>printer ports. Its probably more than 10 years old now.
>
>As an aside, the printer plug is a 34 pin, IIRC. The C50 connector is
>often referred to as a "SCSI-1" connector. Got a bloody big box of those
>cables, with no apparent use at all.
>
>--
>Andre.

I have an HP ScanJet IICX on my Ultra 5 -- it's on the same SCSI bus
with my Central Data SCSI terminal server and my tape drive, attached
to one channel of a Symbios 22801 SCSI card. They go as follows

VHDCI<-->CNT50 [tape drive] CNT50<-->HD50 [SCSI TS] HD50<-->CNT50

Where the VHDCI connector is on the 22801. Also, I have an active
pass-through SCSI terminator between the Centronics 50 cable and
port on the scanner -- no terminator on the worthless Mac-style
pseudo-SCSI DB-25 port. Correct termination is critical with this
arrangement -- I've seen some pass-through DB-25 terminators and
just regular DB-25 terminators that won't work if you're connect-
ing on the 50 pin side.

Works like a champ with Sane.

If you can find a ScanJet 5P, they have dual HD-50 SCSI ports, and they
work great, too. They do have a smaller scanning bed than the bigger
HP SCSI scanners, though.
--
Jeff Wieland