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Hi all (new poster here),

I'm looking to buy some old hardware. Specifically a Ultra 5.

I'm hoping to pimp it out but I'm not finding any documentation on the
hardware.
I am reading

http://sunsolve.sun.com/handbook_pub/Systems/U5/U5.html

though.

My question is is 512 MB memory the max on this workstation?
What about hard drive capacity?

To generalize, is it safe to assume that many of PC world components
would equally work with the Ultra 5? PCI ... etc.

Thanks for any help and/or suggestions,
Dennis.

den <dchang.04@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm looking to buy some old hardware. Specifically a Ultra 5.

any special reason for an U5? There are numerous disadvantages
of that model like slow IDE, no Creator3D graphics etc.

> My question is is 512 MB memory the max on this workstation?

1GB is max with the correct modules. Some modules are too
high to fit in the case.

> What about hard drive capacity?

128GB max IIRC, because of some OBP limitations.
IDE on the U5 and 10 is only UDMA33, so it's pretty slow.
They don't make good fileservers with IDE disks.

> To generalize, is it safe to assume that many of PC world components
> would equally work with the Ultra 5? PCI ... etc.

in general: yes. The OS you want to run will probably the limiting
factor. There aren't that many generic PCI cards supported by
Solaris/SPARC. If you run Linux or BSD you can normally use
any card already supported in the PC world.

gruss,
Dennis

--
Don't suffer from insanity...
Enjoy every minute of it.

On Mar 10, 6:40 am, Dennis Grevenstein <dennis.grevenst...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> den <dchang...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I'm looking to buy some old hardware. Specifically a Ultra 5.
>
> any special reason for an U5? There are numerous disadvantages
> of that model like slow IDE, no Creator3D graphics etc.
>

Space is limited for me. I've got enough space for a tower (I'm
thinking
about a U60) and a desktop (hence the U5).


> > My question is is 512 MB memory the max on this workstation?
>
> 1GB is max with the correct modules. Some modules are too
> high to fit in the case.
>
> > What about hard drive capacity?
>
> 128GB max IIRC, because of some OBP limitations.
> IDE on the U5 and 10 is only UDMA33, so it's pretty slow.
> They don't make good fileservers with IDE disks.
>
> > To generalize, is it safe to assume that many of PC world components
> > would equally work with the Ultra 5? PCI ... etc.
>
> in general: yes. The OS you want to run will probably the limiting
> factor. There aren't that many generic PCI cards supported by
> Solaris/SPARC. If you run Linux or BSD you can normally use
> any card already supported in the PC world.
>
> gruss,
> Dennis

gruss? Did I type that?
I'm not sure what I want to do with the systems. I'm thinking about
a backup server (buying cheap IDE disks seems simple enough),
a jumpstart server, and I also want to play with zones (sol10).
So I'm alittle confused. What would you recommend? My main
concern is space and power consumption/heat dissipation.

>
> --
> Don't suffer from insanity...
> Enjoy every minute of it.


Thanks for your help,
Dennis.

den wrote:
> I'm not sure what I want to do with the systems. I'm thinking about
> a backup server (buying cheap IDE disks seems simple enough),
> a jumpstart server, and I also want to play with zones (sol10).
> So I'm alittle confused. What would you recommend? My main
> concern is space and power consumption/heat dissipation.
>
Then why not use an x86 box?

--
Ian Collins.

Hi,

den wrote:
> On Mar 10, 6:40 am, Dennis Grevenstein <dennis.grevenst...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>den <dchang...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I'm looking to buy some old hardware. Specifically a Ultra 5.
>>
>>any special reason for an U5? There are numerous disadvantages
>>of that model like slow IDE, no Creator3D graphics etc.
>>
>
>
> Space is limited for me. I've got enough space for a tower (I'm
> thinking
> about a U60) and a desktop (hence the U5).
>
>
>
>>>My question is is 512 MB memory the max on this workstation?
>>
>>1GB is max with the correct modules. Some modules are too
>>high to fit in the case.
>>
>>
>>>What about hard drive capacity?
>>
>>128GB max IIRC, because of some OBP limitations.
>>IDE on the U5 and 10 is only UDMA33, so it's pretty slow.
>>They don't make good fileservers with IDE disks.
>>
>>
>>>To generalize, is it safe to assume that many of PC world components
>>>would equally work with the Ultra 5? PCI ... etc.
>>
>>in general: yes. The OS you want to run will probably the limiting
>>factor. There aren't that many generic PCI cards supported by
>>Solaris/SPARC. If you run Linux or BSD you can normally use
>>any card already supported in the PC world.
>>
>>gruss,
>>Dennis
>
>
> gruss? Did I type that?
> I'm not sure what I want to do with the systems. I'm thinking about
> a backup server (buying cheap IDE disks seems simple enough),
> a jumpstart server, and I also want to play with zones (sol10).
> So I'm alittle confused. What would you recommend? My main
> concern is space and power consumption/heat dissipation.
>
>
>>--
>>Don't suffer from insanity...
>>Enjoy every minute of it.
>
>
>
> Thanks for your help,
> Dennis.
>

Get a Sunray and a Sparc or a Atlon64 2GB or RAM and you will never go
back to a WS!

/michael

On 2007-03-10 21:37:35 +0000, "den" <dchang.04@gmail.com> said:

> Space is limited for me. I've got enough space for a tower (I'm
> thinking
> about a U60) and a desktop (hence the U5).

Might be worth looking at a Blade 100 or 150 - they are as small as U5s
(may be smaller) and nicer machines in many ways.

den <dchang.04@gmail.com> wrote:

> Space is limited for me. I've got enough space for a tower (I'm
> thinking
> about a U60) and a desktop (hence the U5).

The U60 certainly is a more capable machine.

> > gruss,
> > Dennis

> gruss? Did I type that?

no. "gruss" is german and means somethings like "greetings" or
"regards". I often forget to change to an english word at that
point, sorry.

> I'm not sure what I want to do with the systems. I'm thinking about
> a backup server (buying cheap IDE disks seems simple enough),
> a jumpstart server, and I also want to play with zones (sol10).
> So I'm alittle confused. What would you recommend? My main
> concern is space and power consumption/heat dissipation.

An x86 system will give you more power for the price.
If you want to go for a SPARC machine then there are
better choices then an Ultra5. As far as space/price is
important, nothing will beat the Ultra5. For a little
more money, you can get the Blade 100/150 or one of the
1U servers like the Netra 105 or AC200.
An Ultra60 is not a small machine IMHO. It's a pretty
heavy and solid machine.

> Thanks for your help,
> Dennis.

regards, (gruss,)
Dennis

--
Don't suffer from insanity...
Enjoy every minute of it.

On 2007-03-13, Dennis Grevenstein <dennis.grevenstein@gmail.com> wrote:

> An Ultra60 is not a small machine IMHO. It's a pretty
> heavy and solid machine.

Also noisy and chucks out a lot of heat.

I love it. )


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who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this
or that problem will never be solved by science.
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Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> writes:

> On 2007-03-13, Dennis Grevenstein <dennis.grevenstein@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> An Ultra60 is not a small machine IMHO. It's a pretty
>> heavy and solid machine.
>
> Also noisy and chucks out a lot of heat.

Yup, which is why I have just replaced mine with a small 1.5 GHz Via
C7 based shoebox, which is very quiet and draws around 40W, instead of
the 150 - 200W of the U60, besides beeing way faster :-)

>
> I love it. )
>

On Mar 13, 5:10 pm, Thomas Tornblom <tho...@Hax.SE> wrote:
> Huge <H...@nowhere.much.invalid> writes:
> > On 2007-03-13, Dennis Grevenstein <dennis.grevenst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> An Ultra60 is not a small machine IMHO. It's a pretty
> >> heavy and solid machine.
>
> > Also noisy and chucks out a lot of heat.
>
> Yup, which is why I have just replaced mine with a small 1.5 GHz Via
> C7 based shoebox, which is very quiet and draws around 40W, instead of
> the 150 - 200W of the U60, besides beeing way faster :-)
>
>
>
> > I love it. )

The Ultra-60 and the Blade-1000 both are large, heavy, noisy, power-
sucking machines and the shuttle-type PC's indeed are smaller and
quieter. If all you are doing is web-surfing and light develpment the
shuttle-type PC's are a good choice, If you are doing heavy numerical
work the Sparc's beat the PC's hands down. Using my radar analysis
code and numerical modeling code it takes an AMD Opteron with 3 times
the clock speed to equal the 900Mhz UltraSparc-III in my Blade 1000.
Since I can buy a well-equiped Blade-1000 for under $400 I have a
Blade-1000 at home. I can buy a Ultra-10 with a Creator-3D for $15 and
put a $5 SiiG ATA-100 card along with 250gb disk in the Ultra-10 the
Sparc wins on cost.