Currently where I work I have a Sun E450 with 4 gig. of memory and 4
(400-Mhz) CPU's.
What would be the next step up in machines?
Here's what I'm looking for and would appreciate any recommendations on what
type of machine(s) where I could double the memory capacity 8 gig (or more)
and 8 (400-Mhz or higher) CPU's?


Thanks Patrick

On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 16:40:51 -0400, paddy_nyr wrote:

> Currently where I work I have a Sun E450 with 4 gig. of memory and 4
> (400-Mhz) CPU's.
> What would be the next step up in machines?
> Here's what I'm looking for and would appreciate any recommendations on what
> type of machine(s) where I could double the memory capacity 8 gig (or more)
> and 8 (400-Mhz or higher) CPU's?
>
>
> Thanks Patrick
Hi patrick

I'd recommend the Sun Fire V880, because it has up to 8 750, 900 or
1050MHz UltraSPARC III CPU's and up to 64GB of RAM.

Chek: http://sunsolve.sun.com/handbook_pub...e880/spec.html

But a old used Sun Enterprise 3500 is also a good recommedation.
It have up to 8 either 400, or 464MHz UltraSPARC II CPU's and up to 16GB
of RAM.

Chek: http://sunsolve.sun.com/handbook_pub...3500/spec.html

But the E3500 is more complex than the V880, because it is a midrange
server. The V880 is a entrylevel server like the E450.

Greetings from a former Technical Presale from Denmark. :-)
Kent Wormsdorf
--
PS. (Sorry, only in Danish.)

Er der nogen der mangler en mand med lidt viden om Sun HW og SW,
så må I gerne sende mig en E-mail.
Jeg er uddannet datamatiker og har senest arbejdet som teknisk presale konsulent.

In article <bk7si2$pep20$1@ID-196946.news.uni-berlin.de>,
paddy_nyr <mpprpp@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Currently where I work I have a Sun E450 with 4 gig. of memory and 4
>(400-Mhz) CPU's.

A V240 can have up to 8GB RAM and similar CPU-performance as a E450.
A V440 can have atleast 16GB RAM and 3 times the CPU-perf. of a E450.
(Good choice if you can wait a bit).

If you need something today a 480 is a good replacement and of course
the V880 with the 1.2GHZ CPU:s (annouced today) is a solid perfomer.

Don't even think about non-current older machines as the newer ones
generally are better and cheaper.

/wfr
Fredrik

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> Don't even think about non-current older machines as the newer ones
> generally are better and cheaper.

On the secondary market you can pick up some bargains. Sun list price for
new
H/W is unaffordable for a lot of companies (including the one that I work
for). The
OP may not need the additional speed of US-III CPUs.
E3500 and E4500 boxes are frequently available on eBay and meet the criteria
.....

Regards
Andrew

Andrew Tyson wrote:
>>Don't even think about non-current older machines as the newer ones
>>generally are better and cheaper.
>
>
> On the secondary market you can pick up some bargains. Sun list price for
> new
> H/W is unaffordable for a lot of companies (including the one that I work
> for). The
> OP may not need the additional speed of US-III CPUs.
> E3500 and E4500 boxes are frequently available on eBay and meet the criteria
> ....

But you will pay a fortune in maintenance !
And you will pay a good sum for the Solaris licence !

Therefore the new machinces are the best bet.
TCO for a new V240 is clearly lower than a
a 3 year+ secondhand E3500, + Maintenace, + Solaris licence.


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> But you will pay a fortune in maintenance !

Assuming that you bother with a Sun maintenance contract. My original
statement with respect to Sun list price applies to maintenance contracts as
well.
Small companies cannot afford that kind of expenditure.

IMO you are better off buying a couple of E3500/E4500 boxes, and keeping
one as a hot/cold standby, and or use it for parts.

> And you will pay a good sum for the Solaris licence !


Solaris 8 only incurs a license fee when the machine exceeds 8 CPUs AFAIK
( admittedly the OP did mention 8CPUs ).
I believe that Solaris 9 must be licensed for anything with more than 1 CPU.

Andrew

On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Andrew Tyson wrote:

> Solaris 8 only incurs a license fee when the machine exceeds 8 CPUs AFAIK

Not true any more. :-( Only uniprocessors, under certain
circumstances, are free.

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On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 23:48:52 +0000, Rich Teer wrote:

> On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Andrew Tyson wrote:
>
>> Solaris 8 only incurs a license fee when the machine exceeds 8 CPUs AFAIK
>
> Not true any more. :-( Only uniprocessors, under certain
> circumstances, are free.

Depends on when you obtained your copy of Solaris 8. My x86 version is
free to use on machines with 8 processor or less capability. The SPARC
version, at that time, had the same license restriction.

Andrew Tyson wrote:

>
> Assuming that you bother with a Sun maintenance contract. My original
> statement with respect to Sun list price applies to maintenance contracts as
> well.
> Small companies cannot afford that kind of expenditure.
>
> IMO you are better off buying a couple of E3500/E4500 boxes, and keeping
> one as a hot/cold standby, and or use it for parts.
>
I guess your "small company" is very lucky to have employed a
System Adminstrator/Engineer that is able to actually perform
the tasks of administrating and servicing medium sized servers.

I do not belive that to be the case for a larger group of
"small companies" . They would still need to buy a service contract
from someone......


//Lars

"Andrew Tyson" <asptyson@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message news:<3f68ea6f$1_1@news.brisbane.pipenetworks.com> ...
> > But you will pay a fortune in maintenance !
>
> Assuming that you bother with a Sun maintenance contract.

The Sun hardware maintenance contracts from the third party companies
cost a fraction of the SunSpectrum contracts. To see a list of companies
that offer this service please visit:

http://www.sunhw.com

sunhw.com can also email your quote request to many of the third party
companies.

> IMO you are better off buying a couple of E3500/E4500 boxes, and keeping
> one as a hot/cold standby, and or use it for parts.

Buying two systems can get quite expensive and if you cannot resolve the
problem yourself then what are you going to do?

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