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I was thinking about buying a T1000 to use as a combined server
and workstation at home. One thing I am concerned about is the
noise level. Anyone tried a T1000/T2000 system or knows whether
it may be too noisy to use in a regular office room or living room.
On the datasheet it says 77 dB. Are there any cases to mount 1U rack
servers in to reduce the noise while keeping enough air flow for
cooling. A t1000 with six core is significantly cheaper and consumes
only a fraction of the power of an Ultra-45 workstation with two 1.6G
US-IIIi CPU's, which is my other alternative.

Hi.

KarlD wrote:
> I was thinking about buying a T1000 to use as a combined server
> and workstation at home. One thing I am concerned about is the
> noise level. Anyone tried a T1000/T2000 system or knows whether
> it may be too noisy to use in a regular office room or living room.
> On the datasheet it says 77 dB. Are there any cases to mount 1U rack
> servers in to reduce the noise while keeping enough air flow for
> cooling. A t1000 with six core is significantly cheaper and consumes
> only a fraction of the power of an Ultra-45 workstation with two 1.6G
> US-IIIi CPU's, which is my other alternative.
>

I have never seen any 1U, 2U system that is possible to use in a office.

You could try using Sunrays and put the T1000 in a remote room, but I
don't think that it will run better thann a traditional WS.

Romours here in Sweden are that the UIIIi+ is around the corner with 4MB
cache which should perform be much better than the 1MB which it has now.

/michae

KarlD wrote:
> I was thinking about buying a T1000 to use as a combined server
> and workstation at home. One thing I am concerned about is the
> noise level. Anyone tried a T1000/T2000 system or knows whether
> it may be too noisy to use in a regular office room or living room.

The T2000 is definitely too noisy. It may compete with an E4500 for
racket
produced. Remote installation far from humans (as in a data center) is
what these things were intended for. Get creative : >

> On the datasheet it says 77 dB. Are there any cases to mount 1U rack
> servers in to reduce the noise while keeping enough air flow for
> cooling. A t1000 with six core is significantly cheaper and consumes
> only a fraction of the power of an Ultra-45 workstation with two 1.6G
> US-IIIi CPU's, which is my other alternative.

Not too easy to expand a T1000.. A Try&Buy would answer all your
questions.

On Mon, 12 Jun 2006, KarlD wrote:

> I was thinking about buying a T1000 to use as a combined server
> and workstation at home. One thing I am concerned about is the
> noise level. Anyone tried a T1000/T2000 system or knows whether
> it may be too noisy to use in a regular office room or living room.

The T1000 is a noisy bugger. If you want a workstation, get a workstation,
or as others have suggested, use a SunRay or something similar. You
would not want to be in the same room as the T1000!

> cooling. A t1000 with six core is significantly cheaper and consumes
> only a fraction of the power of an Ultra-45 workstation with two 1.6G
> US-IIIi CPU's, which is my other alternative.

If noise is a factor, the Ultra 45 might be the best way to go (assuming
you need SPARC).

--
Rich Teer, SCNA, SCSA, OpenSolaris CAB member

President,
Rite Online Inc.

Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638
URL: http://www.rite-group.com/rich

Michael Laajanen wrote:
> Hi.
>
> KarlD wrote:
> > I was thinking about buying a T1000 to use as a combined server
> > and workstation at home. One thing I am concerned about is the
> > noise level.
>:
> Romours here in Sweden are that the UIIIi+ is around the corner with 4MB
> cache which should perform be much better than the 1MB which it has now.
>
Well, don't know exactly how soon the IIIi+ will be on General
Availability in workstations. Performance of the IIIi+ as you say is
impressive, particularly for most of the applications I run. I have
actually been working with the silicon bring-up of the IIIi+ chip
(processor only, not systems) as well as Niagara and UIV+.
I would let you know if there is anything regarding the product
release schedule that can be announced publically. I don't even
know if there is any document on the Sun external web site that
comments on UIIIi+ yet, maybe some processor roadmap document
is available.

/Karl D

Rich Teer wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Jun 2006, KarlD wrote:
>
> > I was thinking about buying a T1000 to use as a combined server
> > and workstation at home. One thing I am concerned about is the
> > noise level. Anyone tried a T1000/T2000 system or knows whether
> > it may be too noisy to use in a regular office room or living room.
>
> The T1000 is a noisy bugger. If you want a workstation, get a workstation,
> or as others have suggested, use a SunRay or something similar. You
> would not want to be in the same room as the T1000!
> :
>
Thanks for you input. That's what I feared. I've only seen Niagara
systems running in big server rooms together with many other
servers where the noise is so high anyway. It's a pity there is no
easy option for such a unique system as desktop. I will probably
have to go with a 2 CPU Ultra-45

One annoyance I noticed when I read the T1000/T2000 installation
manual was that a special DB9-RJ45 adapter is needed to connect a
workstation to the ALOM service processor, which is needed to set it
up and apparently is not included in the box. I wonder how many of
the participants of the 60 day-try-free program got stuck on that.
Wonder if such an annoyance is worth including in an e-mail to proper
Sun VP's that I'm planning to write, containing a list of suggested
improvements aimed at making the first impression of Sun systems of
potential new Sun customers more positive.

On Mon, 12 Jun 2006, KarlD wrote:

> One annoyance I noticed when I read the T1000/T2000 installation
> manual was that a special DB9-RJ45 adapter is needed to connect a
> workstation to the ALOM service processor, which is needed to set it
> up and apparently is not included in the box. I wonder how many of

Hmm, such an adapter has been included with the new servers I've
bought. Might be an error in the docs.

--
Rich Teer, SCNA, SCSA, OpenSolaris CAB member

President,
Rite Online Inc.

Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638
URL: http://www.rite-group.com/rich

Hi,

KarlD wrote:
> Rich Teer wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 12 Jun 2006, KarlD wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I was thinking about buying a T1000 to use as a combined server
>>>and workstation at home. One thing I am concerned about is the
>>>noise level. Anyone tried a T1000/T2000 system or knows whether
>>>it may be too noisy to use in a regular office room or living room.
>>
>>The T1000 is a noisy bugger. If you want a workstation, get a workstation,
>>or as others have suggested, use a SunRay or something similar. You
>>would not want to be in the same room as the T1000!
>>:
>>
>
> Thanks for you input. That's what I feared. I've only seen Niagara
> systems running in big server rooms together with many other
> servers where the noise is so high anyway. It's a pity there is no
> easy option for such a unique system as desktop. I will probably
> have to go with a 2 CPU Ultra-45
>
Probably a good choice, I am currently using a Silver dual 2500 runs
fine and I have tried simulation on a Linux Opteron 2GHz atleast which
is some 30% slower, so I wait for the UIIIi+!

> One annoyance I noticed when I read the T1000/T2000 installation
> manual was that a special DB9-RJ45 adapter is needed to connect a
> workstation to the ALOM service processor, which is needed to set it
> up and apparently is not included in the box. I wonder how many of
> the participants of the 60 day-try-free program got stuck on that.
> Wonder if such an annoyance is worth including in an e-mail to proper
> Sun VP's that I'm planning to write, containing a list of suggested
> improvements aimed at making the first impression of Sun systems of
> potential new Sun customers more positive.
>
Is that a special! RJ45 or a standard RJ45 for serial communication use?

/michael

Hi,

KarlD wrote:
> Michael Laajanen wrote:
>
>>Hi.
>>
>>KarlD wrote:
>>
>>>I was thinking about buying a T1000 to use as a combined server
>>>and workstation at home. One thing I am concerned about is the
>>>noise level.
>>
>>:
>>Romours here in Sweden are that the UIIIi+ is around the corner with 4MB
>>cache which should perform be much better than the 1MB which it has now.
>>
>
> Well, don't know exactly how soon the IIIi+ will be on General
> Availability in workstations. Performance of the IIIi+ as you say is
> impressive, particularly for most of the applications I run. I have
> actually been working with the silicon bring-up of the IIIi+ chip
> (processor only, not systems) as well as Niagara and UIV+.
That is cool, was that at Sun or in a fab?

> I would let you know if there is anything regarding the product
> release schedule that can be announced publically. I don't even
> know if there is any document on the Sun external web site that
> comments on UIIIi+ yet, maybe some processor roadmap document
> is available.
>
> /Karl D
>
Let me know!

cheers

Michael

Michael Laajanen wrote:
>
> KarlD wrote:
>
> :
> > One annoyance I noticed when I read the T1000/T2000 installation
> > manual was that a special DB9-RJ45 adapter is needed to connect a
> > workstation to the ALOM service processor, which is needed to set it
> > up and apparently is not included in the box. I wonder how many of
> > the participants of the 60 day-try-free program got stuck on that.
> >
> Is that a special! RJ45 or a standard RJ45 for serial communication use?
>
Don't know but RJ-45 to me is simply ethernet so any non-RJ45 to RJ45
adapter I believe is not that commonly used. I saw a crossover wiring
diagram for DB9 to RJ-45 in a document so I guess it would be easy to
wire up one. In older Sun servers, wasn't it enough to just use a
DB9-to-DB9 or DB25 serial terminal cable to connect?
On the other hand I think even a server could have a simple text-only
video interface and a keyboard port to make it easier to hook it up and
configure. Don't think that would add too much in price and power.