I'm kind of interested in getting one of the machines for my own use and was
curious about the perphials. Do I have to get the sun display for monitor or
can I get one off the shelf.

On Sun, 1 Aug 2004, Wayne Happ wrote:

> I'm kind of interested in getting one of the machines for my own use and was
> curious about the perphials. Do I have to get the sun display for monitor or
> can I get one off the shelf.

One off the shelf will do.

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"Wayne Happ" <whapp@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> I'm kind of interested in getting one of the machines for my own use and
was
> curious about the perphials. Do I have to get the sun display for monitor
or
> can I get one off the shelf.

Not wanting to start a flame war - but what is Sun's thinking here? If I
want an AMD based box why am I going to pay a premium for a x86 clone with a
Sun badge? I gather that the Opteron is only available in Sun badged
machines but how do Sun reconcile this product range with the USIII based
workstations and servers? I hope that it's not the beginning of the end for
SPARC/Sun products ...

Regards,
AT

Andrew Tyson wrote:

> "Wayne Happ" <whapp@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:5qadnc-UHevVApDcRVn-rg@comcast.com...
>
>>I'm kind of interested in getting one of the machines for my own use and
>
> was
>
>>curious about the perphials. Do I have to get the sun display for monitor
>
> or
>
>>can I get one off the shelf.
>
>
> Not wanting to start a flame war - but what is Sun's thinking here? If I
> want an AMD based box why am I going to pay a premium for a x86 clone with a
> Sun badge? I gather that the Opteron is only available in Sun badged
> machines but how do Sun reconcile this product range with the USIII based
> workstations and servers? I hope that it's not the beginning of the end for
> SPARC/Sun products ...
>
> Regards,
> AT
>
>
I'd be happy if Sun would sell people the system of their choice. Let
the market decide.

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Andrew Tyson wrote:

> Not wanting to start a flame war - but what is Sun's thinking here?

I would assume a better product/profit margin.

> want an AMD based box why am I going to pay a premium for a x86 clone with a
> Sun badge? I gather that the Opteron is only available in Sun badged
> machines but how do Sun reconcile this product range with the USIII based
> workstations and servers? I hope that it's not the beginning of the end for
> SPARC/Sun products ...

As someone else pointed out, give the customers what they want. The
latest inclusion of the AMD boxes allows Sun to competitively target and
penetrate the low-end workstation and server market. However much we
might love the sparc platform, the truth is that X86 and X86/64 have the
biggest market share. If Sun offers these boxes, they would offer
hardware and software support as well...which is what the companies
would buy.

Honestly, if I have to buy (now or in future) an opteron machine either
from: Sun, IBM or even Dell for any use, I would prefer Sun or IBM. I
might save some money with Dell, but their product/customer support is
one of the worst in the world (http://babyurl.com/2tWPrO).

Nevertheless, if you get out of OS-evangelism, you'll see that this was
a smart move on Sun's part.

My 2 cents.

-Bruno

<snip>

> I would assume a better product/profit margin.

It seems to me that a lot of their woes relate to their excessive list
prices for new SPARC H/W. With the new workstations they 'appear'
to be trying to make the H/W more affordable. I find it a bit odd
when they talk about the reduced TCO of USIII based servers compared with
USII stuff. At work we use secondary market E3500's predominantly. For the
price of
entry level Sun support we can have a couple of machines in the wings as
cold standbys.
Sorry got a bit off topic there ...

> might love the sparc platform, the truth is that X86 and X86/64 have the
> biggest market share. If Sun offers these boxes, they would offer

Yup - and there are a plethora of vendors supplying these boxes already ...

> Nevertheless, if you get out of OS-evangelism, you'll see that this was
> a smart move on Sun's part.

Nothing to do with the OS - unless you're implying that no one is going to
buy the machines with x86 Solaris installed ;-)

Regards,
AT

Andrew Tyson wrote:

> It seems to me that a lot of their woes relate to their excessive list
> prices for new SPARC H/W.

Yeah, I'd agree with you there.

> USII stuff. At work we use secondary market E3500's predominantly. For the
> price of entry level Sun support we can have a couple of machines

And we E250's/E4500's. Believe me, there are many on the lists who do
the same. After the .com crash, the glut of sun hardware and this
secondary market brought some great deals and good hardware at more
affordable prices.

> I'd be happy if Sun would sell people the system of their choice. Let
> the market decide.

.... presumably you're implying Lintel ? I can't see Sun ever winning in that
space.
Jumping into an overcrowded market at the eleventh hour seems a bit of a
desperate
move to me.

Regards,
AT

Andrew Tyson wrote:

>>I'd be happy if Sun would sell people the system of their choice. Let
>>the market decide.
>
>
> ... presumably you're implying Lintel ?

Not necessarily -- Solaris on Opteron is interesting.

I can't see Sun ever winning in that
> space.
> Jumping into an overcrowded market at the eleventh hour seems a bit of a
> desperate
> move to me.
>
> Regards,
> AT
>
>


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On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 15:28:41 GMT
Bruno Saverio Delbono <bruno.s.delbono@mail.ac> wrote:

> Honestly, if I have to buy (now or in future) an opteron machine
> either from: Sun, IBM or even Dell for any use, I would prefer Sun or
> IBM.

I'd buy IBM, becouse they spent so much time with Intel, and Intel clone
stuff. SUN spent so much time with SPARC.

IBM has more expeience with x86 things, while SUN has more with SPARC.

I do not know why even Solaris for x86 exists, when one can have the
powerfull SPARC CPU. SUN claims, that they are doing high end computing
stuff. So why messing around with "crapy" x86?


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