I've been having a lot of trouble getting my (old) Ultra 5 to boot.

I've connected a terminal emulator to serial port a on my Sun and run
the Power On Self Test (POST) several times and it never fails, even
with dial-level max.

The trouble seems to happen after the reset or power-on

Clearing I/D TLBs Done
Probing Memory Done
MEM BASE = 0000.0000.1000.0000
MEM SIZE = 0000.0000.1000.0000
11-Column Mode Enabled
MMUs ON
Copy Done
PC = 0000.01ff.f000.201c
PC = 0000.0000.0000.2060
Decompressing into Memory Done
Size = 0000.0000.0006.e770
ttya initialized
Reset Control: BXIR:0 BPOR:0 SXIR:0 SPOR:1 POR:0
UltraSPARC-IIi 2-2 module
Probing Memory Bank #0 0 + 0 : 0 Megabytes
Probing Memory Bank #2 128 + 128 : 256 Megabytes
Probing UPA Slot at 1e,0 Nothing There
Probing /pci@1f,0/pci@1,1 at Device 1 pci108e,1000 network
Probing /pci@1f,0/pci@1,1 at Device 2 SUNW,m64B
Probing /pci@1f,0/pci@1,1 at Device 3 ide disk cdrom
Probing /pci@1f,0/pci@1 at Device 1 Nothing there
Probing /pci@1f,0/pci@1 at Device 2 pci
Probing /pci@1f,0/pci@1/pci@2 at Device 0 Data Access Error

whenever I do a reset I get
Data Access Error

If I try to boot I get
ok boot disk
Boot device: /pci@1f,0/pci@1,1/ide@3/disk@0,0 File and args:
Memory Address not Aligned
ok boot disk
Fast Data Access MMU Miss

At this point whenever I try to boot from disk I get Fast Data Access
MMU Miss, until I reset and start all over again.

Does this indicate a problem with the disk? The disk isn't that old, and
when my Ultra 5 does boot the OS seems to run fine.

Any help or advice would be appreciated.

-- Eric

According to Eric Kolotyluk <eric@sfu.ca>:
> I've been having a lot of trouble getting my (old) Ultra 5 to boot.
>
> I've connected a terminal emulator to serial port a on my Sun and run
> the Power On Self Test (POST) several times and it never fails, even
> with dial-level max.
>
> The trouble seems to happen after the reset or power-on
>
> Clearing I/D TLBs Done
> Probing Memory Done
> MEM BASE = 0000.0000.1000.0000
> MEM SIZE = 0000.0000.1000.0000
> 11-Column Mode Enabled
> MMUs ON
> Copy Done
> PC = 0000.01ff.f000.201c
> PC = 0000.0000.0000.2060
> Decompressing into Memory Done
> Size = 0000.0000.0006.e770
> ttya initialized
> Reset Control: BXIR:0 BPOR:0 SXIR:0 SPOR:1 POR:0
> UltraSPARC-IIi 2-2 module
> Probing Memory Bank #0 0 + 0 : 0 Megabytes
> Probing Memory Bank #2 128 + 128 : 256 Megabytes

Hmm ... nothing in bank 0, and two simms in bank 2? What if you
move them to the other sockets? The system may be expecting SIMMs in
bank 0.

> Probing UPA Slot at 1e,0 Nothing There
> Probing /pci@1f,0/pci@1,1 at Device 1 pci108e,1000 network
> Probing /pci@1f,0/pci@1,1 at Device 2 SUNW,m64B
> Probing /pci@1f,0/pci@1,1 at Device 3 ide disk cdrom
> Probing /pci@1f,0/pci@1 at Device 1 Nothing there
> Probing /pci@1f,0/pci@1 at Device 2 pci
> Probing /pci@1f,0/pci@1/pci@2 at Device 0 Data Access Error
>
> whenever I do a reset I get
> Data Access Error
>
> If I try to boot I get
> ok boot disk
> Boot device: /pci@1f,0/pci@1,1/ide@3/disk@0,0 File and args:
> Memory Address not Aligned
> ok boot disk
> Fast Data Access MMU Miss
>
> At this point whenever I try to boot from disk I get Fast Data Access
> MMU Miss, until I reset and start all over again.

Perhaps the location of the SIMMs? (Or perhaps not.)

> Does this indicate a problem with the disk? The disk isn't that old, and
> when my Ultra 5 does boot the OS seems to run fine.

So -- it does boot sometimes?

If there is something in bank 0, and it has an intermittent
connection, this could explain why it sometimes boots and sometimes does
not. (Though it would have to be a unusual intermittent to avoid
leaving information in the diagnostics which you quoted above.

BTW What is in the PCI slots in the machine? You seem to have an error
associated with one or more of the slots.

> Any help or advice would be appreciated.

Just guesses above.

BTW The Ultra 5 machines are now so inexpensive, that getting a
second machine to swap parts with might be the most
cost-effective diagnostic tool.

Good Luck,
DoN.

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re seat the memory and whatever is in pci 1

DoN. Nichols wrote:
> According to Eric Kolotyluk <eric@sfu.ca>:
>> I've been having a lot of trouble getting my (old) Ultra 5 to boot.
>>
>> I've connected a terminal emulator to serial port a on my Sun and run
>> the Power On Self Test (POST) several times and it never fails, even
>> with dial-level max.
>>
>> The trouble seems to happen after the reset or power-on
>>
>> Clearing I/D TLBs Done
>> Probing Memory Done
>> MEM BASE = 0000.0000.1000.0000
>> MEM SIZE = 0000.0000.1000.0000
>> 11-Column Mode Enabled
>> MMUs ON
>> Copy Done
>> PC = 0000.01ff.f000.201c
>> PC = 0000.0000.0000.2060
>> Decompressing into Memory Done
>> Size = 0000.0000.0006.e770
>> ttya initialized
>> Reset Control: BXIR:0 BPOR:0 SXIR:0 SPOR:1 POR:0
>> UltraSPARC-IIi 2-2 module
>> Probing Memory Bank #0 0 + 0 : 0 Megabytes
>> Probing Memory Bank #2 128 + 128 : 256 Megabytes
>
> Hmm ... nothing in bank 0, and two simms in bank 2? What if you
> move them to the other sockets? The system may be expecting SIMMs in
> bank 0.

The sims are in their original factory positions and have worked fine
there for over 5 years.

>
>> Probing UPA Slot at 1e,0 Nothing There
>> Probing /pci@1f,0/pci@1,1 at Device 1 pci108e,1000 network
>> Probing /pci@1f,0/pci@1,1 at Device 2 SUNW,m64B
>> Probing /pci@1f,0/pci@1,1 at Device 3 ide disk cdrom
>> Probing /pci@1f,0/pci@1 at Device 1 Nothing there
>> Probing /pci@1f,0/pci@1 at Device 2 pci
>> Probing /pci@1f,0/pci@1/pci@2 at Device 0 Data Access Error
>>
>> whenever I do a reset I get
>> Data Access Error
>>
>> If I try to boot I get
>> ok boot disk
>> Boot device: /pci@1f,0/pci@1,1/ide@3/disk@0,0 File and args:
>> Memory Address not Aligned
>> ok boot disk
>> Fast Data Access MMU Miss
>>
>> At this point whenever I try to boot from disk I get Fast Data Access
>> MMU Miss, until I reset and start all over again.
>
> Perhaps the location of the SIMMs? (Or perhaps not.)
>
>> Does this indicate a problem with the disk? The disk isn't that old, and
>> when my Ultra 5 does boot the OS seems to run fine.
>
> So -- it does boot sometimes?

Yes, it boots sometimes, but it's getting harder to boot now. I only got
a serial cable for ttya a couple of days ago, so until now it was a
'real' mystery why it wouldn't boot. I've event tried booting from the
cdrom and it gives me exactly the same problem.

>
> If there is something in bank 0, and it has an intermittent
> connection, this could explain why it sometimes boots and sometimes does
> not. (Though it would have to be a unusual intermittent to avoid
> leaving information in the diagnostics which you quoted above.
>
> BTW What is in the PCI slots in the machine? You seem to have an error
> associated with one or more of the slots.

I've got a PC board (i.e., personal computer) for running windows in one
slot, and it's daughter card in another slot, then a SCSI and Ethernet
controller in the last slot.
>
>> Any help or advice would be appreciated.
>
> Just guesses above.
>
> BTW The Ultra 5 machines are now so inexpensive, that getting a
> second machine to swap parts with might be the most
> cost-effective diagnostic tool.

Hmmm, I never thought about that. Maybe I should give my old friends at
the local Sun office a call.
>
> Good Luck,
> DoN.
>

Thanks, Eric

solarisguy.unix@gmail.com wrote:
> re seat the memory and whatever is in pci 1
>
I pulled the old Sun Intel board that I used to use for running Windows.
Now my Ultra 5 boots first time no problems. Oh well, I don't need that
thing anymore.

Now I remember, years ago when I had Sun service they had me re-seat the
PCI boards to fix a similar problem with it not booting.

Thanks muchly - Eric

According to Eric Kolotyluk <eric@sfu.ca>:
> DoN. Nichols wrote:
> > According to Eric Kolotyluk <eric@sfu.ca>:
> >> I've been having a lot of trouble getting my (old) Ultra 5 to boot.
> >>
> >> I've connected a terminal emulator to serial port a on my Sun and run
> >> the Power On Self Test (POST) several times and it never fails, even
> >> with dial-level max.
> >>
> >> The trouble seems to happen after the reset or power-on

[ ... ]

> > Hmm ... nothing in bank 0, and two simms in bank 2? What if you
> > move them to the other sockets? The system may be expecting SIMMs in
> > bank 0.
>
> The sims are in their original factory positions and have worked fine
> there for over 5 years.

I see from another branch of the thread that you got it working
by pulling the Intel CPU card from the PCI bus.

[ ... ]

> > So -- it does boot sometimes?
>
> Yes, it boots sometimes, but it's getting harder to boot now. I only got
> a serial cable for ttya a couple of days ago, so until now it was a
> 'real' mystery why it wouldn't boot. I've event tried booting from the
> cdrom and it gives me exactly the same problem.

Which suggests that whatever it is, it is not the OS or disk
contents that's the problem.

[ ... ]

> > BTW What is in the PCI slots in the machine? You seem to have an error
> > associated with one or more of the slots.
>
> I've got a PC board (i.e., personal computer) for running windows in one
> slot, and it's daughter card in another slot, then a SCSI and Ethernet
> controller in the last slot.

And -- it turned out to be the PC card. Hmm ... does that card
have a battery on it? If so, it may be getting old and weak.

> >> Any help or advice would be appreciated.
> >
> > Just guesses above.
> >
> > BTW The Ultra 5 machines are now so inexpensive, that getting a
> > second machine to swap parts with might be the most
> > cost-effective diagnostic tool.
>
> Hmmm, I never thought about that. Maybe I should give my old friends at
> the local Sun office a call.

I don't know that you can get them from Sun at any reasonable
price (other than a possible give-away), but I've gotten mine from a
hamfest almost exactly a year ago. It was all of $20.00. (And I
immediately set aside the disk which was in in, and installed an 80GB IDE
drive to replace it. And I installed Solaris 10 from DVD. (I also
replaced the CD-ROM drive with an IDE DVD burner.)

Good Luck,
DoN.

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