I have a problem with my B1000 (256MB RAM, FireGL-UX) running HP-UX 11i
B.11.11 (with Dec. '04 HWE and GOLDQPK and all the latest patches regarding
ITRC patch assessment). If I connect a generic Logitech USB keyboard and USB
mouse everything works fine. However, if I connect a PS/2 keyboard and PS/2
mouse via an USB->PS/2 adapter, only the keyboard works correctly. The mouse
begins to behave erratic (left mouse key seems stuck, vertical mouse
movement leads to the cursor moving horizontally and jumping back as soon as
mouse movement starts).

I did an ioscan -funC usbhid and got these results:

With USB->PS/2 adapter:

# ioscan -funC usbhid
Class I H/W Path Driver S/W State H/W Type Description
================================================== ====================
usbhid 0 10/0/14/2.1.2 hid CLAIMED DEVICE USB HID Kbd(0) Mouse(1)
/dev/hid/firstkbd /dev/hid/hid_015
/dev/hid/firstmouse /dev/hid/kbd_000
/dev/hid/hid_000 /dev/hid/kbd_001
/dev/hid/hid_001 /dev/hid/kbd_002
/dev/hid/hid_002 /dev/hid/kbd_003
/dev/hid/hid_003 /dev/hid/kbd_004
/dev/hid/hid_004 /dev/hid/kbd_005
/dev/hid/hid_005 /dev/hid/kbd_006
/dev/hid/hid_006 /dev/hid/kbd_007
/dev/hid/hid_007 /dev/hid/mouse_000
/dev/hid/hid_008 /dev/hid/mouse_001
/dev/hid/hid_009 /dev/hid/mouse_002
/dev/hid/hid_010 /dev/hid/mouse_003
/dev/hid/hid_011 /dev/hid/mouse_004
/dev/hid/hid_012 /dev/hid/mouse_005
/dev/hid/hid_013 /dev/hid/mouse_006
/dev/hid/hid_014 /dev/hid/mouse_007
#


With Logitech USB keyboard and mouse I get this output:

# ioscan -funC usbhid
Class I H/W Path Driver S/W State H/W Type Description
================================================== ====================
usbhid 0 10/0/14/2.1.2.3 hid CLAIMED DEVICE USB HID Kbd(1) Other(2)
/dev/hid/firstkbd /dev/hid/hid_015
/dev/hid/firstmouse /dev/hid/kbd_000
/dev/hid/hid_000 /dev/hid/kbd_001
/dev/hid/hid_001 /dev/hid/kbd_002
/dev/hid/hid_002 /dev/hid/kbd_003
/dev/hid/hid_003 /dev/hid/kbd_004
/dev/hid/hid_004 /dev/hid/kbd_005
/dev/hid/hid_005 /dev/hid/kbd_006
/dev/hid/hid_006 /dev/hid/kbd_007
/dev/hid/hid_007 /dev/hid/mouse_000
/dev/hid/hid_008 /dev/hid/mouse_001
/dev/hid/hid_009 /dev/hid/mouse_002
/dev/hid/hid_010 /dev/hid/mouse_003
/dev/hid/hid_011 /dev/hid/mouse_004
/dev/hid/hid_012 /dev/hid/mouse_005
/dev/hid/hid_013 /dev/hid/mouse_006
/dev/hid/hid_014 /dev/hid/mouse_007
usbhid 2 10/0/14/2.1.4 hid CLAIMED DEVICE USB HID Mouse(0)
#

I suspect that HP-UX has a problem with keyboard and mouse being at the same
hw address. But then, HP also offers an USB->PS/2 adapter (A7782A) which is
just an OEM'd generic, so it should be possible to use the B1000 with an
USB->PS/2 adapter.

I tried several types of adapters, and several different PS/2 keyboards and
mouses. I also tried that on a c3700 which leads to the same results.

Is there any way to convince the HP XF86 server to accept mouse and keyboard
at the same hw address? Or maybe the problem is because of the numbers
behind "kbd" and "mouse". With USB devices, it's "Mouse(0)" and "Kbd(1)",
with PS/2->USB adapter its vice versa ("Mouse(1)" and "Kbd(0)"). Could this
be the reason? Any way to get HP-UX to accept it the other way around?

BTW: the adapter I tried all work fine not only on several PCs but also on
Powermac G3 and G5 and even on a Sun Blade1000.

Benjamin

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> Benjamin Gawert <bgawert@gmx.de> wrote:

> However, if I connect a PS/2 keyboard and PS/2 mouse via an
> USB->PS/2 adapter, only the keyboard works correctly.

What brand and model of PS/2-USB adaptor?

> But then, HP also offers an USB->PS/2 adapter (A7782A)
> which is just an OEM'd generic, ...

Not generic. The A7782A is an hp version of the high-power
version of the P.I.Engr "Y-Mouse USB" (ymouse.com).

The firmware defaults are definitely custom to hp, and the
firmware may be an hp-specific revision. You might be able
to get a PI-branded Y-Mouse (SKUs: WHYM-0008 or OEM-35-HP)
to work, but other brands & models are dramatically less
likely to work (for specific reasons I no longer recall).

I was the product manager on A7782A (this was over two
years ago, and I'm no longer at hp, so things may have
changed). The Y-Mouse USB was the only PS/2 adaptor that
would work reliably with PA-RISC workstations. Most of
the USB-PS/2 adaptors on the market seem to make some limiting
assumptions that they are connected to a Windows or Mac
host computer.

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Bob Niland <email4rjn@yahoo.com> writes:

> The firmware defaults are definitely custom to hp, and the
> firmware may be an hp-specific revision. You might be able
> to get a PI-branded Y-Mouse (SKUs: WHYM-0008 or OEM-35-HP)
> to work, but other brands & models are dramatically less
> likely to work (for specific reasons I no longer recall).

I remember that other adapters caused the pipe/backslash key to fail
to work. The PI-branded y-mouse worked for me, but you had to put it
in unix mode. (search the pi engineering web site for details.)

tim

On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 22:41:18 -0500, Tim <tbutler@dev.null> wrote:

> I remember that other adapters caused the pipe/backslash key to fail
> to work. The PI-branded y-mouse worked for me, but you had to put it
> in unix mode. (search the pi engineering web site for details.)

Special setting [P] was also described in the User Guide
for the A7782A (and was needed for some foreign keyboards).
Unfortunately, although hp still sells the A7782A, they
don't seem to have the U.G. PDF on line anymore.

In any case, the P.I.E. instructions work for the A7782A
(well, I need to add - they did 30 months ago, anyway).

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Bob Niland wrote:

>> However, if I connect a PS/2 keyboard and PS/2 mouse via an
>> USB->PS/2 adapter, only the keyboard works correctly.
>
> What brand and model of PS/2-USB adaptor?

Different ones. Some were Digitus DA-70118...

>> But then, HP also offers an USB->PS/2 adapter (A7782A)
>> which is just an OEM'd generic, ...
>
> Not generic. The A7782A is an hp version of the high-power
> version of the P.I.Engr "Y-Mouse USB" (ymouse.com).
>
> The firmware defaults are definitely custom to hp, and the
> firmware may be an hp-specific revision. You might be able
> to get a PI-branded Y-Mouse (SKUs: WHYM-0008 or OEM-35-HP)
> to work, but other brands & models are dramatically less
> likely to work (for specific reasons I no longer recall).
>
> I was the product manager on A7782A (this was over two
> years ago, and I'm no longer at hp, so things may have
> changed). The Y-Mouse USB was the only PS/2 adaptor that
> would work reliably with PA-RISC workstations. Most of
> the USB-PS/2 adaptors on the market seem to make some limiting
> assumptions that they are connected to a Windows or Mac
> host computer.

We have some old adapters at work, and these really only work with Windows
(on other systems, neither mouse and keyboard works).

However, the adapters I tested are brand new and all current models, and
besides Win and Mac they also work fine with a Sun Blade1000 and Blade2000
which are _extremely_ picky what to accept on the USB ports.

And the keyboard works reliable with HP-UX, it's only the mouse that makes
the problems. I'm quite sure this isn't really a hardware issue but a
problem with the X-Server. Unlike "real" USb mouse and keyboard which are
located on different hw addresses, the USB adapter shows mouse and keyboard
at the same address.

Benjamin

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