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So I'm not a HP-UX admin by any stretch of the imagination, but have
inherited a lab where we have a couple of old HP ZX 9000 IA64 systems,
one of which contains a HP-UX 11i installation. One of our engineers
needs it from time to time to check that a cross platform shell script
he works on runs correctly in HP-UX.

Of course there is no backup, and the HP-UX install CDs have long
since vanished (actually I have HP-UX PA-Risc install CDs, but not HP-
UX IA64 install CDs - that would have made things too easy!)

I'm trying to figure out how I can make a backup of the known good HP-
UX install (which is on a single SCSI drive), to a spare identical
hard drive (and I mean identical, same size, geometry, etc) from one
of the other unused machines to avoid potential disasters/drive
failures etc occurring on my watch. The second drive does not have HP-
UX on it, and has essentially never been used - so is almost a "fresh"
drive.

If this was a Linux x86 machine I'd insert the second drive, boot a
recovery CD, and simply dd or clonezilla the original drive to the
spare drive. I know some Linux distributions have IA64 boot disks,
and I'm thinking I might be able to accomplish the same here.

What I want to know is if there is a "best way" to do this in HP-UX,
any gotchas if I just use a linux IA64 bootable CD and do a DD, or any
other problems that might occur.

Thanks,
Andrew

andrews.usenet.account@gmail.com wrote:
> So I'm not a HP-UX admin by any stretch of the imagination, but have
> inherited a lab where we have a couple of old HP ZX 9000 IA64
> systems, one of which contains a HP-UX 11i installation. One of our
> engineers needs it from time to time to check that a cross platform
> shell script he works on runs correctly in HP-UX.

A couple nits:

*) the IA64 systems are "Integrity" systems not 9000's

*) there are at least two common "11i" revs for Integrity systems -
11iv2 (aka 11.23) and 11iv3 (aka 11.31) so best to be specific.

> Of course there is no backup, and the HP-UX install CDs have long
> since vanished (actually I have HP-UX PA-Risc install CDs, but not
> HP- UX IA64 install CDs - that would have made things too easy!)

> I'm trying to figure out how I can make a backup of the known good
> HP- UX install (which is on a single SCSI drive), to a spare
> identical hard drive (and I mean identical, same size, geometry,
> etc) from one of the other unused machines to avoid potential
> disasters/drive failures etc occurring on my watch. The second
> drive does not have HP- UX on it, and has essentially never been
> used - so is almost a "fresh" drive.

Ignite/UX and the make_mumble_recovery functionality is what you want.
At least that can be used to make recovery images - not sure if they
can do that to disc these days or not though.

Ignite can be had via software.hp.com. Manuals should be somewhere on
docs.hp.com I would think.

> If this was a Linux x86 machine I'd insert the second drive, boot a
> recovery CD, and simply dd or clonezilla the original drive to the
> spare drive. I know some Linux distributions have IA64 boot disks,
> and I'm thinking I might be able to accomplish the same here.

> What I want to know is if there is a "best way" to do this in HP-UX,
> any gotchas if I just use a linux IA64 bootable CD and do a DD, or any
> other problems that might occur.

The "best way" to backup a system install for recovery is via Ignite,
but I believe folks have used dd in the past.


Supported, known to work -> warm fuzzies all around
Supported, not known to not work -> an HPite may be in trouble
Supported, known to not work -> an HPite is in trouble
Unsupported, known to work -> lucky today, unlucky tomorrow?
Unsupported, not known to not work -> there but for the grace of Turing
Unsupported, known to not work -> no, it was not deliberate ;-)

hth,

rick jones
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Whoops. I meant it is an HP ZX6000 workstation system (not ZX 9000).

A uname -a on the box shows that it is
HP-UX hpwk1 B.11.22 U ia64.

Thanks for the info on Ignite/UX - I'll look in to it.

A



On Apr 18, 11:38 am, Rick Jones <rick.jon...@hp.com> wrote:
> andrews.usenet.acco...@gmail.com wrote:
> > So I'm not a HP-UX admin by any stretch of the imagination, but have
> > inherited a lab where we have a couple of old HP ZX 9000 IA64
> > systems, one of which contains a HP-UX 11i installation. One of our
> > engineers needs it from time to time to check that a cross platform
> > shell script he works on runs correctly in HP-UX.
>
> A couple nits:
>
> *) the IA64 systems are "Integrity" systems not 9000's
>
> *) there are at least two common "11i" revs for Integrity systems -
> 11iv2 (aka 11.23) and 11iv3 (aka 11.31) so best to be specific.
>
> > Of course there is no backup, and the HP-UX install CDs have long
> > since vanished (actually I have HP-UX PA-Risc install CDs, but not
> > HP- UX IA64 install CDs - that would have made things too easy!)
> > I'm trying to figure out how I can make a backup of the known good
> > HP- UX install (which is on a single SCSI drive), to a spare
> > identical hard drive (and I mean identical, same size, geometry,
> > etc) from one of the other unused machines to avoid potential
> > disasters/drive failures etc occurring on my watch. The second
> > drive does not have HP- UX on it, and has essentially never been
> > used - so is almost a "fresh" drive.
>
> Ignite/UX and the make_mumble_recovery functionality is what you want.
> At least that can be used to make recovery images - not sure if they
> can do that to disc these days or not though.
>
> Ignite can be had via software.hp.com. Manuals should be somewhere on
> docs.hp.com I would think.
>
> > If this was a Linux x86 machine I'd insert the second drive, boot a
> > recovery CD, and simply dd or clonezilla the original drive to the
> > spare drive. I know some Linux distributions have IA64 boot disks,
> > and I'm thinking I might be able to accomplish the same here.
> > What I want to know is if there is a "best way" to do this in HP-UX,
> > any gotchas if I just use a linux IA64 bootable CD and do a DD, or any
> > other problems that might occur.
>
> The "best way" to backup a system install for recovery is via Ignite,
> but I believe folks have used dd in the past.
>
> Supported, known to work -> warm fuzzies all around
> Supported, not known to not work -> an HPite may be in trouble
> Supported, known to not work -> an HPite is in trouble
> Unsupported, known to work -> lucky today, unlucky tomorrow?
> Unsupported, not known to not work -> there but for the grace of Turing
> Unsupported, known to not work -> no, it was not deliberate ;-)
>
> hth,
>
> rick jones
> --
> a wide gulf separates "what if" from "if only"
> these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway...
> feel free to post, OR email to rick.jones2 in hp.com but NOT BOTH...

andrews.usenet.account@gmail.com wrote:
> Whoops. I meant it is an HP ZX6000 workstation system (not ZX 9000).

> A uname -a on the box shows that it is
> HP-UX hpwk1 B.11.22 U ia64.

11.22 (aka 11iv1.6) was more of an "interim" OS release. I am not
sure it is still supported. I believe that 11.23 (11iv2) is/was
supported on the zx6000 and you might want to see about getting there.

rick jones
--
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these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway...
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Rick Jones wrote:
> andrews.usenet.account@gmail.com wrote:
>> Whoops. I meant it is an HP ZX6000 workstation system (not ZX 9000).
>
>> A uname -a on the box shows that it is
>> HP-UX hpwk1 B.11.22 U ia64.
>
> 11.22 (aka 11iv1.6) was more of an "interim" OS release. I am not
> sure it is still supported. I believe that 11.23 (11iv2) is/was
> supported on the zx6000 and you might want to see about getting there.
>
> rick jones


11.22 is no longer supported at all, and support for it was removed from
Ignite-UX about 2 years ago.

The original post contains a slight misconception, that there are
separate media for PA vs IA systems. This isn't correct, any factory
media set for 11i v2 (11.23) and/or 11i v3 (11.31) will support both
architectures. v1 (11.11) only supports PA.

Al

Al Miller <ajmiller@hpgemini.fc.hp.com> wrote:
> Ah, yes you are right, I should have remembered that. Early
> releases of 11.23 were indeed IA-only. OK, I'll actually look up the
> facts instead of relying on hazy memory:

Nah, that wouldn't be any fun

rick jones
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Al Miller <ajmiller@hpgemini.fc.hp.com> wrote:
> The original post contains a slight misconception, that there are
> separate media for PA vs IA systems. This isn't correct, any
> factory media set for 11i v2 (11.23) and/or 11i v3 (11.31) will
> support both architectures. v1 (11.11) only supports PA.

I would add only a slight tweak - IIRC the initial/early 11i V2
(11.23) media were IPF only.

rick jones
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Process shall set you free from the need for rational thought.
these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway...
feel free to post, OR email to rick.jones2 in hp.com but NOT BOTH...

Rick Jones wrote:
> Al Miller <ajmiller@hpgemini.fc.hp.com> wrote:
>> The original post contains a slight misconception, that there are
>> separate media for PA vs IA systems. This isn't correct, any
>> factory media set for 11i v2 (11.23) and/or 11i v3 (11.31) will
>> support both architectures. v1 (11.11) only supports PA.
>
> I would add only a slight tweak - IIRC the initial/early 11i V2
> (11.23) media were IPF only.
>
> rick jones


Ah, yes you are right, I should have remembered that. Early releases of
11.23 were indeed IA-only. OK, I'll actually look up the facts instead
of relying on hazy memory:

PA support was added to v2 (11.23) in the September 2004 release.

Support for 11.22 was removed from Ignite-UX in Version C.6.5, December
2005.

A great deal of HP-UX release history (back to late 2001) can be gleaned
from the Ignite-UX Supported Versions document available at
http://docs.hp.com/en/IUX/docs/Supported_Versions.pdf

Al