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Hi,

I was wondering if someone competent can clarify how it is with
licensing HP-UX and passing licenses for third party.
What's my point: I have B132L which has 11.00 installed with
unlimited-user license. However, the only thing I have from
installation media is Network Node Manager for HP-UX 11, and since I
have bigger disk, and that's good occasion to install from scratch.

Is there a way to obtain license for 11.00 without need of any support
contract, buing newer 11i or anything that will be more costly than 132
itself...? What's with "scraping" old machines and selling them to
third parties lime me: is rumor, that license passes on user with the
machine, true?

Thanks in advance,

Rambo

* m_roguski@yahoo.com:

> I was wondering if someone competent can clarify how it is with
> licensing HP-UX and passing licenses for third party.

This has been done several times in this ng, and also just a few days
ago. If you'd done a short search you'd probably found that...

> What's my point: I have B132L which has 11.00 installed with
> unlimited-user license. However, the only thing I have from
> installation media is Network Node Manager for HP-UX 11, and since I
> have bigger disk, and that's good occasion to install from scratch.
>
> Is there a way to obtain license for 11.00 without need of any support
> contract, buing newer 11i or anything that will be more costly than 132
> itself...?

If the B132L already ran with 11.0 it already should have a license, right?

> What's with "scraping" old machines and selling them to
> third parties lime me: is rumor, that license passes on user with the
> machine, true?

Nope. With Series 700 (workstations) the license is bound to the
machine, with Series 800 (servers) the license is bound to the owner and
the machine. As to media, you are allowed to borrow or buy a media kit
to reinstall the HP-UX version your machine has been licensed for...

Benjamin

> This has been done several times in this ng, and also just a few days
> ago. If you'd done a short search you'd probably found that...

Don't take me wrong, I did search and looked at FAQ, just wanted to
have that "black on white" from someone who at least @hp.com in mail,
in case someone asks inconvinient question "What's that HP-UX doing on
your eMule?"

* m_roguski@yahoo.com:

>> This has been done several times in this ng, and also just a few days
>> ago. If you'd done a short search you'd probably found that...
>
> Don't take me wrong, I did search and looked at FAQ, just wanted to
> have that "black on white" from someone who at least @hp.com in mail,
> in case someone asks inconvinient question "What's that HP-UX doing on
> your eMule?"

You can be sure that _noone_ working at HP will make _any_ official
statements to _anything_ here on the newsgroup because this could be a
good way of getting rid of his job. Of course there are some HP guys
here like Rick Jones, but if you read any of his posts you'll see he
always states clearly that everything he says (writes) here is his own
opionion and nothing official from HP. So don't expect any official
works from HP on this matter.

But fact is that with PA-RISC workstations the HP-UX license is bound to
the machine. Period. Unlike servers, none of these workstations were
sold without any version of HP-UX. Since HP-UX beofre 10.20 couldn't be
made Y2k compliant in 1999 HP granted all workstations that run a older
version a free license update to 10.20 (they also shipped free media
sets for some period). Besides that, most older workstation came with
only a 2 user license which HP also upgraded later for free to unlimited
user. IIRC later when 10.20 was EOL'd they also granted free licenses to
11.0 for all workstations, again with a period of free media sets.

As to HP-UX in Emule etc: even if you have a license, downloading HP-UX
from Emule etc is illegal. You have to use a generic (original) media
kit to install HP-UX, obtaining the installation media from an illegal
source (Emule per se is not illegal of course, but the HP-UX files are)
doesn't make it legal if you have a license. Besides that I doubt that
Emule has any somewhat current media set for download that also will
support newer hardware like the faster Allegro workstations with PA-8700
or gfx cards like the FireGL-UX.

There often are HP-UX media on ebay, and they usually go for way less
than media for other UNIXes like SGIs dead horse IRIX. And honestly, if
it's for private hobbyist use, I really doubt HP gives a f**k on what
you run on an old B132L workstation, unlike SGI they also don't try to
sue people that sell HP-UX media kits on ebay.
And under these circumstances I'd avoid 11.0 and go with 11i (11.11, not
11.20, 11.22 or 11.23!) ;-)

Benjamin

> I really doubt HP gives a f**k on what you run on an old B132L workstation

I have no doubts about that, however there is something called Business
Software Alliance in Poland, and they don't have exactly spottless
record (some call them "mental"), and I'm not really have mood to have
my B132L taken away for "legality investigation" (my web page, where I
present proudly my collection- thanks to Grant Grundler even with 8700
prototype, is pretty often visited, and recent "activity" made me
little uneasy...

> And under these circumstances I'd avoid 11.0 and go with 11i (11.11, not
> 11.20, 11.22 or 11.23!) ;-)

Well, to be honest I'm pretty satisfied, maybe 11.00 is old, but even
in time when the system was held "by nails" together, I managed to get
it running flawlessly (but lack disk space now).

Rambo

* m_roguski@yahoo.com:

>> I really doubt HP gives a f**k on what you run on an old B132L workstation
>
> I have no doubts about that, however there is something called Business
> Software Alliance in Poland,

The BSA does not only exist in Poland, they are also here in Germany, in
the US and lots of other countries...

> and they don't have exactly spottless
> record (some call them "mental"), and I'm not really have mood to have
> my B132L taken away for "legality investigation" (my web page, where I
> present proudly my collection- thanks to Grant Grundler even with 8700
> prototype, is pretty often visited, and recent "activity" made me
> little uneasy...

First, HP is not member of the BSA, and the BSA only cares of software
of their members.

Second, BSA is active against companies using unlicensed applications
(which is understandable because they use illegal software to earn
money) and against professional copiers that produce and sell illegal
copies of applications. The BSA is mostly concentrated on the Windows
market (IIRC all of their members make Windows software, AFAIR there
even isn't an ISV of Mac software). They definitely don't care about an
hobbyist that uses HP-UX on an ancient workstation.

Third, there usually is no way to verify if your B132L has an 11i
license or not because HP does not keep track of such ancient system
once they leave service contracts. Of course there were license
certificates which came with the machine but the license is on the
machine no matter if you still have this certificate or not. So even if
you call HP and ask them what version your B132L is licensed for they
probably are not able to tell you.

>> And under these circumstances I'd avoid 11.0 and go with 11i (11.11, not
>> 11.20, 11.22 or 11.23!) ;-)
>
> Well, to be honest I'm pretty satisfied, maybe 11.00 is old, but even
> in time when the system was held "by nails" together, I managed to get
> it running flawlessly (but lack disk space now).

11.0 was not a bad version and of course runs rock-solid. But it's EOL'd
and has some glitches (from which some are very annoying) that were
fixed in 11i. Most software out there (incl. OpenSource ports) are for
11i. Most of them should run on 11.0 as well, but you might experience
problems.
Really, today you definitely want to be at 11i.

Benjamin

> First, HP is not member of the BSA, and the BSA only cares of software
> of their members.[...] So even if you call HP and ask them what version
> your B132L is licensed for they probably are not able to tell you.

Like they say, a little paranoia never hurt anyone
Anyway, you're probably right and I don't need to bother myself that
much.
I think I'll even have someone with 11.11 around.

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http://rambo.id.uw.edu.pl/komputery.html?nr=6
Ain't it beautiful?
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Rambo

* m_roguski@yahoo.com:

>> First, HP is not member of the BSA, and the BSA only cares of software
>> of their members.[...] So even if you call HP and ask them what version
>> your B132L is licensed for they probably are not able to tell you.
>
> Like they say, a little paranoia never hurt anyone
> Anyway, you're probably right and I don't need to bother myself that
> much.
> I think I'll even have someone with 11.11 around.

And be sure to get the latest patchset from itrc.hp.com...

> [mode show_off =ON]
> http://rambo.id.uw.edu.pl/komputery.html?nr=6
> Ain't it beautiful?
> [mode OFF]

Yes, it's a very nice machine. I still have an old B180L standing
around, and even with the rare vertical stand!

What are you using the B132L for? If it's gfx then have a look at the
Allegro workstations (B1000, C3000 - c3750) which are really _dirt_
cheap on ebay (c3600s 552MHz for ~130EUR). And when it comes to
performance they kick every SGIs Fuels arse ;-)

Benjamin

m_roguski@yahoo.com wrote:
>>First, HP is not member of the BSA, and the BSA only cares of software
>>of their members.[...] So even if you call HP and ask them what version
>>your B132L is licensed for they probably are not able to tell you.
>
>
> Like they say, a little paranoia never hurt anyone
> Anyway, you're probably right and I don't need to bother myself that
> much.
> I think I'll even have someone with 11.11 around.
>
> [mode show_off =ON]
> http://rambo.id.uw.edu.pl/komputery.html?nr=6
> Ain't it beautiful?
> [mode OFF]
>
> Rambo
>
HPUX 11.0 is unsupported as of 12-31-06. If you have a server that
you bought from someone else you must have an LTA ( license transfer
agreement ) to allow you to run 11.x legally. If you have a workstation
that was released with 11.0 then it licensed for 11.x, and you can run
11.1/2 legeally on it. I have been dealing with it at work, PITA, I dont
work for HP.

Alan

On 30 Apr 2006 12:45:57 -0700, m_roguski@yahoo.com wrote:

>> First, HP is not member of the BSA, and the BSA only cares of software
>> of their members.[...] So even if you call HP and ask them what version
>> your B132L is licensed for they probably are not able to tell you.
>
>Like they say, a little paranoia never hurt anyone
>Anyway, you're probably right and I don't need to bother myself that
>much.
>I think I'll even have someone with 11.11 around.
>
>[mode show_off =ON]
>http://rambo.id.uw.edu.pl/komputery.html?nr=6
>Ain't it beautiful?
>[mode OFF]
>
Nice collection of systems you have.
One remark regarding the B132L, the onboard lan interface is 100Mbit
instead of 10Mbit ;-)