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Has anyone installed Oracle 7.3.4 database on a HP-UX server with 11i
as an O/S? We currently have in on HP-UX with 11.00 as the O/S, but
I'm not sure if the Oracle 7.3.4 CD will install on the 11i(11.11).
Does anyone know if there are any major differences between 11.00 and
11i O/S for the PA-RISC. We would be changing from K460 HP-UX 11.00
with Oracle 7.3.4 (cannot upgrade because of the application)to a
rp4xxx or rp7xxx most likely.

Thanks in advance,
David

On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 06:27:00 -0700, Dave Steele wrote:

> Has anyone installed Oracle 7.3.4 database on a HP-UX server with 11i
> as an O/S? We currently have in on HP-UX with 11.00 as the O/S, but
> I'm not sure if the Oracle 7.3.4 CD will install on the 11i(11.11).
> Does anyone know if there are any major differences between 11.00 and
> 11i O/S for the PA-RISC. We would be changing from K460 HP-UX 11.00
> with Oracle 7.3.4 (cannot upgrade because of the application)to a
> rp4xxx or rp7xxx most likely.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> David

Needless to say, you probably already realize that anything you are doing
with this old an Oracle will be unsupported by anyone, but here goes.

Things you must consider: 1) chances are your existing install is 32 bit
which means the app is also 32 bit, 2) 11i on those boxes will be 64 bit
and a lot of apps houses didn't play nice when they developed their code
(they won't easily port to 64 bit), 3) even if you can install (and get
stable) the 32 bit 7.3.4 Oracle on the 64 bit 11i, maybe the best use of
the time/money/resources would be to get on a more modern app.

Jim Carter wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 06:27:00 -0700, Dave Steele wrote:

>> Has anyone installed Oracle 7.3.4 database on a HP-UX server with 11i
>> as an O/S? We currently have in on HP-UX with 11.00 as the O/S, but
>> I'm not sure if the Oracle 7.3.4 CD will install on the 11i(11.11).
>> Does anyone know if there are any major differences between 11.00 and
>> 11i O/S for the PA-RISC. We would be changing from K460 HP-UX 11.00
>> with Oracle 7.3.4 (cannot upgrade because of the application)to a
>> rp4xxx or rp7xxx most likely.

> Things you must consider: 1) chances are your existing install is 32 bit
> which means the app is also 32 bit, 2) 11i on those boxes will be 64 bit
> and a lot of apps houses didn't play nice when they developed their code
> (they won't easily port to 64 bit),

IIRC Oracle was one of the houses that did play nice. Or, at least IIRC
we were able to do an upgrade by getting the old version of Oracle up on
the new servers and only after that migrate the data to a newer version
of Oracle. This might have been HP-UX 10.20 -> 11.00/32 though.

And, Oracle specifically said at some point that 32-bit Oracle binaries
will run on 64-bit HP-UX - 11.00 at least, but that was for a
8.something and I'm not sure if 11.11 was out yet.

> 3) even if you can install (and get
> stable) the 32 bit 7.3.4 Oracle on the 64 bit 11i, maybe the best use of
> the time/money/resources would be to get on a more modern app.

Well ... in the best case, the old version will continue to run just
fine, it's just the risk that you aren't that lucky.

Oh, and I'm not sure that you really want to re-run the installer, just
moving the binaries over might be easier. (it certainly was back when
the Oracle install CDs were broken and needed lots of manual work to get
the install to complete succesfully even on the correct HP-UX version...
not sure which Oracle version that was.)


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"Jim Carter" <root@arroglx01.myprivateshopper.com> wrote in message news:<pan.2003.09.10.14.57.40.849930@arroglx01.myp rivateshopper.com>...
> On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 06:27:00 -0700, Dave Steele wrote:
>
> > Has anyone installed Oracle 7.3.4 database on a HP-UX server with 11i
> > as an O/S? We currently have in on HP-UX with 11.00 as the O/S, but
> > I'm not sure if the Oracle 7.3.4 CD will install on the 11i(11.11).
> > Does anyone know if there are any major differences between 11.00 and
> > 11i O/S for the PA-RISC. We would be changing from K460 HP-UX 11.00
> > with Oracle 7.3.4 (cannot upgrade because of the application)to a
> > rp4xxx or rp7xxx most likely.
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > David
>
> Needless to say, you probably already realize that anything you are doing
> with this old an Oracle will be unsupported by anyone, but here goes.
>
> Things you must consider: 1) chances are your existing install is 32 bit
> which means the app is also 32 bit, 2) 11i on those boxes will be 64 bit
> and a lot of apps houses didn't play nice when they developed their code
> (they won't easily port to 64 bit), 3) even if you can install (and get
> stable) the 32 bit 7.3.4 Oracle on the 64 bit 11i, maybe the best use of
> the time/money/resources would be to get on a more modern app.

Yes, I know that 7.3.4 is no longer supported, but 8.1.7 won't be for
much longer either. Do you know off hand, if the new PA-RISC HP
servers can still have an 11.00 O/S with the 32/64 bit patches? Our
current Oracle 7.3.4 is on the 11.00 O/S with the 32/64 bit patches.
If I run the command "/usr/bin/getconf KERNEL_BITS" on our current
server it does show 64, so I was thinking that Oracle 7.3.4 should run
on 11i, even though it is 32 bit.

Thanks for your help.

-David

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 07:27:57 -0700, Dave Steele wrote:

> "Jim Carter" <root@arroglx01.myprivateshopper.com> wrote in message news:<pan.2003.09.10.14.57.40.849930@arroglx01.myp rivateshopper.com>...
>> On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 06:27:00 -0700, Dave Steele wrote:
>>
>> > Has anyone installed Oracle 7.3.4 database on a HP-UX server with 11i
>> > as an O/S? We currently have in on HP-UX with 11.00 as the O/S, but
>> > I'm not sure if the Oracle 7.3.4 CD will install on the 11i(11.11).
>> > Does anyone know if there are any major differences between 11.00 and
>> > 11i O/S for the PA-RISC. We would be changing from K460 HP-UX 11.00
>> > with Oracle 7.3.4 (cannot upgrade because of the application)to a
>> > rp4xxx or rp7xxx most likely.
>> >
>> > Thanks in advance,
>> > David
>>
>> Needless to say, you probably already realize that anything you are doing
>> with this old an Oracle will be unsupported by anyone, but here goes.
>>
>> Things you must consider: 1) chances are your existing install is 32 bit
>> which means the app is also 32 bit, 2) 11i on those boxes will be 64 bit
>> and a lot of apps houses didn't play nice when they developed their code
>> (they won't easily port to 64 bit), 3) even if you can install (and get
>> stable) the 32 bit 7.3.4 Oracle on the 64 bit 11i, maybe the best use of
>> the time/money/resources would be to get on a more modern app.
>
> Yes, I know that 7.3.4 is no longer supported, but 8.1.7 won't be for
> much longer either. Do you know off hand, if the new PA-RISC HP
> servers can still have an 11.00 O/S with the 32/64 bit patches? Our
> current Oracle 7.3.4 is on the 11.00 O/S with the 32/64 bit patches.
> If I run the command "/usr/bin/getconf KERNEL_BITS" on our current
> server it does show 64, so I was thinking that Oracle 7.3.4 should run
> on 11i, even though it is 32 bit.
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> -David

Congrats David, you've already gotten farther along than I suspected (or
even wanted to try). At this point, you are conducting testing and should
proceed with that idea in mind. I know that Oracle and HP won't buy into
the idea that this could be a supportable configuration, but then the one
you're currently running isn't either.

I don't believe the two models of server that you mentioned will support
32 bit operation, so you'll have to run the 64 bit O/S. The interesting
thing is that you apparently are already doing just that, so you might
have a good chance of making this work.

BTW, it doesn't matter that Oracle "plays nice" with the 32/64 situation,
all of the applications that run on the Oracle database must also deal
with that situation properly. If the local developers didn't follow GABP,
then you still have that problem to address.