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I'm fairly new to Linux and have a question:

I recently installed Red Hat 9 on a 40 GB drive (1st drive is 40 GB XP)

I bought the 2nd drive so I could work on it independently from the XP OS.
During an installation a few months ago, I was able to disable the XP drive
in the BIOS and enable the 2nd drive whenever I wanted to play with Linux.

Today in the Linux setup I disabled the boot loader and also deleted the DOS
boot from the setup. Yet, the GRUB still appears. The only way I can get
into either the XP or Linux OS is enabling both drives in the BIOS. If the
XP drive is enabled and the Linux is not, it's giving me a GRUB Hard drive
error. If the Linux drive is enabled and the XP is not, it goes straight to
the GRUB dos prompt.

Is there a way around this?

The Linux setup doesn't let you change which HD the GRUB is installed.

Many thanks in advance.

Christopher Bogart wrote:

> I'm fairly new to Linux and have a question:
>
> I recently installed Red Hat 9 on a 40 GB drive (1st drive is 40 GB XP)
>
> I bought the 2nd drive so I could work on it independently from the XP OS.
> During an installation a few months ago, I was able to disable the XP
> drive in the BIOS and enable the 2nd drive whenever I wanted to play with
> Linux.
>
> Today in the Linux setup I disabled the boot loader and also deleted the
> DOS boot from the setup. Yet, the GRUB still appears. The only way I can
> get into either the XP or Linux OS is enabling both drives in the BIOS. If
> the XP drive is enabled and the Linux is not, it's giving me a GRUB Hard
> drive error. If the Linux drive is enabled and the XP is not, it goes
> straight to the GRUB dos prompt.
>
> Is there a way around this?
>
> The Linux setup doesn't let you change which HD the GRUB is installed.
>
> Many thanks in advance.

What's wrong with enabling both drives and booting your OS of choice from
GRUB?

--
MSP - Metasensory Perception

Christopher Bogart wrote:

> I'm fairly new to Linux and have a question:
>
> I recently installed Red Hat 9 on a 40 GB drive (1st drive is 40 GB XP)
>
> I bought the 2nd drive so I could work on it independently from the XP OS.
> During an installation a few months ago, I was able to disable the XP
> drive in the BIOS and enable the 2nd drive whenever I wanted to play with
> Linux.
>
> Today in the Linux setup I disabled the boot loader and also deleted the
> DOS boot from the setup. Yet, the GRUB still appears. The only way I can
> get into either the XP or Linux OS is enabling both drives in the BIOS. If
> the XP drive is enabled and the Linux is not, it's giving me a GRUB Hard
> drive error. If the Linux drive is enabled and the XP is not, it goes
> straight to the GRUB dos prompt.
>
> Is there a way around this?

Yes, there is. Use Grub to decide which operating system to load. The
reason:

1. Windows wants to be on the first system drive.

2. Grub and Linux therefore must be on the second system drive.

3. Both drives must be activated.

> The Linux setup doesn't let you change which HD the GRUB is installed.

Sure it does, but the Windows drive must remain where it is, and you only
have two drives. If you had more drives, there would be more meaningless
choices.

You know, you never said what you wanted to happen, only what did happen.

--
Paul Lutus
http://www.arachnoid.com

I want to know how I can configure the Linux setup so it's not dependent on
the XP installation (ie: If I pull the Linux drive out, XP will boot. If I
pull the Linux drive out, it will not boot)

"Paul Lutus" <nospam@nosite.zzz> wrote in message
news:10j07kvhrubbs4c@corp.supernews.com...
> Christopher Bogart wrote:
>
> > I'm fairly new to Linux and have a question:
> >
> > I recently installed Red Hat 9 on a 40 GB drive (1st drive is 40 GB XP)
> >
> > I bought the 2nd drive so I could work on it independently from the XP
OS.
> > During an installation a few months ago, I was able to disable the XP
> > drive in the BIOS and enable the 2nd drive whenever I wanted to play
with
> > Linux.
> >
> > Today in the Linux setup I disabled the boot loader and also deleted the
> > DOS boot from the setup. Yet, the GRUB still appears. The only way I can
> > get into either the XP or Linux OS is enabling both drives in the BIOS.
If
> > the XP drive is enabled and the Linux is not, it's giving me a GRUB Hard
> > drive error. If the Linux drive is enabled and the XP is not, it goes
> > straight to the GRUB dos prompt.
> >
> > Is there a way around this?
>
> Yes, there is. Use Grub to decide which operating system to load. The
> reason:
>
> 1. Windows wants to be on the first system drive.
>
> 2. Grub and Linux therefore must be on the second system drive.
>
> 3. Both drives must be activated.
>
> > The Linux setup doesn't let you change which HD the GRUB is installed.
>
> Sure it does, but the Windows drive must remain where it is, and you only
> have two drives. If you had more drives, there would be more meaningless
> choices.
>
> You know, you never said what you wanted to happen, only what did happen.
>
> --
> Paul Lutus
> http://www.arachnoid.com
>

Christopher Bogart <cmjb13@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I want to know how I can configure the Linux setup so it's not dependent on
> the XP installation (ie: If I pull the Linux drive out, XP will boot. If I
> pull the Linux drive out, it will not boot)

You are not clear. In the first place one does not go pulling drives in
and out of machines. In the second place the bootloader has to be on a
drive, so put it on a third disk, one that you are not going to go
pulling in and out like a yo-yo.

In the third place, which disk bootloader you use is determined by your
bios, so why don't you go play with that instead of smashing yur
hardware about?

If you really want to pull in and out the disks on which your
bootloader is, then you will have to have two bootloaders, one on each
disk that you torture in this way.

Configure each bootloader when its disk is alone in the machine, and
make sure that disk is in the position that your bios is configured to
look for the bootloader on.

Peter

Paul Lutus wrote:

> 1. Windows wants to be on the first system drive.
>
> 2. Grub and Linux therefore must be on the second system drive.
>
> 3. Both drives must be activated.

Why do you talk nonsense with such sublime certainty?

1. You can have Windows on any drive

2. Linux can be on any drive

3. It is simplest to install grub on the mbr of the first drive.

This is completely standard and normal,
and the "Lutus way" is idiosyncratic in the extreme.

--
Timothy Murphy
e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie
tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366
s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland

Christopher Bogart wrote:

> I want to know how I can configure the Linux setup so it's not dependent
> on the XP installation (ie: If I pull the Linux drive out, XP will boot.
> If I pull the Linux drive out, it will not boot)
>
> "Paul Lutus" <nospam@nosite.zzz> wrote in message
> news:10j07kvhrubbs4c@corp.supernews.com...
>> Christopher Bogart wrote:
>>

[putolin]

First don't top post

> If I pull the Linux drive out, it will not boot)

Yes that's the way it works.


--
There are 10 types of people in this world
Those that understand binary and those that don't
/* If Linux community doesn't have the solution, you have the wrong problem
*/

<posted & mailed>

Timothy Murphy wrote:

Mr. Murphy, STOP trying to force follow-ups to your personal e-mail address.

> Paul Lutus wrote:
>
>> 1. Windows wants to be on the first system drive.
>>
>> 2. Grub and Linux therefore must be on the second system drive.
>>
>> 3. Both drives must be activated.
>
> Why do you talk nonsense with such sublime certainty?

Prove that it is nonsense, given that the OP has two drives already
prepared, one with Linux, one with Windows, and assuming for the moment
that he doesn't want to remap his drives.

> 1. You can have Windows on any drive
>
> 2. Linux can be on any drive
>
> 3. It is simplest to install grub on the mbr of the first drive.
>
> This is completely standard and normal,
> and the "Lutus way" is idiosyncratic in the extreme.

No, it is simple advice for a beginner. Obviously you can find a way to
create any result, but this is a newbie.

--
Paul Lutus
http://www.arachnoid.com

"Christopher Bogart" <cmjb13@yahoo.com> writes:

]I'm fairly new to Linux and have a question:

]I recently installed Red Hat 9 on a 40 GB drive (1st drive is 40 GB XP)

]I bought the 2nd drive so I could work on it independently from the XP OS.
]During an installation a few months ago, I was able to disable the XP drive
]in the BIOS and enable the 2nd drive whenever I wanted to play with Linux.

]Today in the Linux setup I disabled the boot loader and also deleted the DOS
]boot from the setup. Yet, the GRUB still appears. The only way I can get
]into either the XP or Linux OS is enabling both drives in the BIOS. If the
]XP drive is enabled and the Linux is not, it's giving me a GRUB Hard drive
]error. If the Linux drive is enabled and the XP is not, it goes straight to
]the GRUB dos prompt.

]Is there a way around this?

]The Linux setup doesn't let you change which HD the GRUB is installed.


You could use lilo.
Something has to load the operating system. The bios is too stupid and has
noidea where the operating systems are loaded on the disk. This is done by
a bootloader. Aso Something has to uncompress the linux kenrel, and jump to
the beginning of the kernel code . These things ae done by lilo or grub.
Linux can boot all sorts of operating systems. Including Windows.
HOwever if you would rather use the Windows bootloader to load the OS
youcan but then lilo or grub has to be installed in the partition that
contains /boot.