I am a newby to Linux and I have a computer which is only dedicated to
Linux OS. There are many postings all over with people who have done
dual boot with a MS os and Linux but none that I have found that do it
this way. It must be common knowledge among Linux users so not even
discussed. I have a computer with 30gb with Lindows 4.0 preinstalled
and a new 80gb hd with Mepis that I installed. The hds are selected by
a Trios II PLus HD selector before boot up. I would like to install
more than one linux os on the 80gb since I have plenty of room. I can
then try to find an os which I am happy with. I am presently a W98
user and not very geeky so try not to overwhelm me with Linux
terminology. I know many Linux people have found out answers like this
by hacking away until they get it. I prefer not to try to reinvent whe
wheel and find someone who has done this type of dual boot. I am sure
they are out there. Thank you.

Richard

On 5 Apr 2004 07:38:13 -0700
gagnonrchrd@netscape.net (Richard Gagnon) wrote:

> I am a newby to Linux and I have a computer which is only dedicated to
> Linux OS. There are many postings all over with people who have done
> dual boot with a MS os and Linux but none that I have found that do it
> this way. It must be common knowledge among Linux users so not even
> discussed. I have a computer with 30gb with Lindows 4.0 preinstalled
> and a new 80gb hd with Mepis that I installed. The hds are selected by
> a Trios II PLus HD selector before boot up. I would like to install
> more than one linux os on the 80gb since I have plenty of room. I can
> then try to find an os which I am happy with. I am presently a W98
> user and not very geeky so try not to overwhelm me with Linux
> terminology. I know many Linux people have found out answers like this
> by hacking away until they get it. I prefer not to try to reinvent whe
> wheel and find someone who has done this type of dual boot. I am sure
> they are out there. Thank you.
>
> Richard

Takle a look at Lilo or grub. It works the same way as a dual boot with
Linux and Windows.

Greets
Chris

On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 07:38:13 -0700, Richard Gagnon wrote:

I prefer not to try to reinvent whe
> wheel and find someone who has done this type of dual boot. I am sure
> they are out there. Thank you.
>
> Richard

As of this moment, my computer has SuSE 7.2, 8.0, 8.1 & two SuSE 8.2's as well
as Mandrake 9.1, Slackware 9.1, Win98SE and Win2K installed. I just today
d/l'd Mandrake 9.2, and Texstar's PCLinuxOS that runs from the live CD.
Tomorrow, I'll download SuSE 9.0. If you've got the space on hdd's you can
put as many os's as you'd like, share swap space and storage area's, and
play to your hearts content. It's not a real good idea to share the home
partition, as different config files stored in the hidden files can play
hell with your settings each time you boot to something else. It's not
hard to do, it just seems that way until you've done it once or twice.

There are people crazier than I am, around this group that make this look
like a small setup. You'll get a lot of different opinions on how to do
this, each person having his pet way that works best for him, or her. My
best advice, until you have some experience, follow one plan for one
operating system. Don't mix advice from many sources and hope to get it
right; You probably won't. Don't get sucked into battles between the "My
way is the best and only way" crowd. Like all things in penguin land, there
are many paths to success, and you must choose your own, Grasshopper.

Most important; Have fun with it.

--
imotgm

On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 07:38:13 -0700, Richard Gagnon wrote:

> I am a newby to Linux and I have a computer which is only dedicated to
> Linux OS. There are many postings all over with people who have done
> dual boot with a MS os and Linux but none that I have found that do it
> this way. It must be common knowledge among Linux users so not even
>
> <snip>
>
I don't know what a Trios II Plus HD selector is, but assuming it is a
device to swap master/slave, I think you'd be better off not using it
and deciding on a permanent hard drive placement. This is because it
isn't necessary to resort to tricks when using the linux loader (Grub or
Lilo). These are able to boot linux by just using proper nomenclature.
The sooner you straighten this out, the less confusing it will be down the
road when you are testing multiple distro's.

So, assuming the 30G with lindows already has a swap partition, and that
you intend to only install your "trial" distributions on the 80G, then
you can do something like this:

0. 80G is set to be hdb
1. Backup mepis (if necessary).
2. Repartition hdb (if necessary). For easiest "testing" install each OS
in its own partition. You can easily share swap, which is specified
during the setup of each distro. Allocate about 4G to 12G for testing
modern distros. 80G space can be allocated to allow between about 7 and
20 distros.

To try more than 4 distributions, you could use a partitioning scheme like
this:
/dev/hdb1 extended (link to hdb5)
/dev/hdb5 type 83, reserved for slackware
/dev/hdb6 type 83, reserved for mandrake
/dev/hdb7 type 83, reserved for suse
/dev/hdb8 type 83, reserved for fedora
/dev/hdb9 type 83, reserved for debian
etc.

As far as I know, there is no limit on the count of partitions in the
extended partition.

The loader is a key part of dual boot systems, and I recommend grub.
As a first step, try to install grub to boot Lindows, only. The next
step is to add a stanza to boot mepis. BTW, if it has been booted as
hda, you will have to modify its /etc/fstab to change to hdb. I am not
using lindows or mepis, and I don't know which loader they use, but
I'll try to help if you provide more specific information. The manual for
grub is online here:
http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/man...ode/index.html

--
Rise up in the cafeteria and stab them with your plastic forks.
http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0100436/quotes

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Richard Gagnon <gagnonrchrd@netscape.net> wrote:
> I am a newby to Linux and I have a computer which is only dedicated to
> Linux OS. There are many postings all over with people who have done
> dual boot with a MS os and Linux but none that I have found that do it
> this way. It must be common knowledge among Linux users so not even
> discussed.

What about another idea, there are dozens of pretty HOWTO
explaining the "knowledge", try www.tldp.org and enter "boot" in
the search box.

Good luck

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> Richard Gagnon <gagnonrchrd@netscape.net> wrote:
>> I am a newby to Linux and I have a computer which is only dedicated to
>> Linux OS. There are many postings all over with people who have done
>> dual boot with a MS os and Linux but none that I have found that do it
>> this way. It must be common knowledge among Linux users so not even
>> discussed.
>
> What about another idea, there are dozens of pretty HOWTO
> explaining the "knowledge", try www.tldp.org and enter "boot" in
> the search box.
>
> Good luck

I deliberately trimmed nothing to illustrate how nicely your gpg sig
stripped itself from the quoted text.

How, exactly, did you fix that? Yes I do know about gpg sigs (- --)
delimiter, and you have the normal (-- ).

Obviously I don't personally need this, but in other groups I'm being told
this can't be fixed without major problems. It seems like you fixed it
pretty quick, without major effort, and good results.

I wouldn't care at all, except we're getting people bothering all the
noobs about fixing their sigs, which are as small as mine, because they get
quoted. The person doing the complaining usually has a gpg sig that looks like an
oversized meatball, that won't strip off, and it seems kind of
hypocritical for the elephant to bitch at the ant that he's taking up too
much space. I pointed out this disparity and got the can't be fixed
routine.

From the evidence of your sig; Methinks they belch smoke at my rectal
regions, and I needs/must to keep my cheeks clamped lest I be mistook a chimney.

I don't need to start a flame war, so if I point out that it can be fixed,
I need to know how. Detials, details, details.

Help would be greatly appreciated

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Seems to be the downside about it.

> I deliberately trimmed nothing to illustrate how nicely your gpg sig
> stripped itself from the quoted text.

> How, exactly, did you fix that? Yes I do know about gpg sigs (- --)
> delimiter, and you have the normal (-- ).

AFAIR it was no one else then mjt himself who pointed out that
it can be fixed with just putting "not-dash-escaped" in
~/.gnupg/options.

However, one can header-sign posts, which does even look better,
if your newsreader supports that, mine (tin) does through an
external perl script, but it doesn't still work for me...

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On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 08:03:13 +0200, Michael Heiming wrote:
>
>> How, exactly, did you fix that? Yes I do know about gpg sigs (- --)
>> delimiter, and you have the normal (-- ).
>
> AFAIR it was no one else then mjt himself who pointed out that
> it can be fixed with just putting "not-dash-escaped" in
> ~/.gnupg/options.

For clarification, as my ~/.gnupg has no options file;

Does the options file get created automatically when a sig is created? If
not, do I create a new plain text file with the single text line
"not-dash-escaped" and save it as ~/.gnupg/options? I assume the " marks
are left out in the actual file content line. Is it really that simple?

> However, one can header-sign posts, which does even look better,
> if your newsreader supports that, mine (tin) does through an
> external perl script, but it doesn't still work for me...

I saw the thread where mjt was kidding you about your sig, and now that
you mention the not-dash-escaped line, I remember that from the thread,
but not the exact context, as it was a tangent to the main thread. Then
your next post had the fix, and my only reaction at that time was
"Interesting", but I was following the thread and moved on. I couldn't
remember what the main topic of that thread was when this suddenly had
personal significance.

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imotgm

On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 08:03:13 +0200, Michael Heiming wrote:

Or is this the command you meant?

echo not-dash-escaped >> ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf


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> Richard Gagnon <gagnonrchrd@netscape.net> wrote:
> > I am a newby to Linux and I have a computer which is only dedicated to
> > Linux OS. There are many postings all over with people who have done
> > dual boot with a MS os and Linux but none that I have found that do it
> > this way. It must be common knowledge among Linux users so not even
> > discussed.
>
> What about another idea, there are dozens of pretty HOWTO
> explaining the "knowledge", try www.tldp.org and enter "boot" in
> the search box.
>
> Good luck
>
> --
> Michael Heiming (GPG-Key ID: 0xEDD27B94)
>



I have not had any luck so I bought another hd and with the Trios II
hd selector I can select a hd for Lindows, another for Sun Java
Desktop and a third for Mepis. This is done before boot up. Works
great. I have bought two hds on sale so it is an easier solution. I
will probably never try any other os than these three. I am a user
and not geeky enough to handle suggestions I have read. I did quite a
bit of reading but most explanations start out ok but then things get
hazy and I know from experience I will get into trouble.

Cheers

Richard