"Nico Kadel-Garcia" <nkadel@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:u3gLa.27107$Kg7.23911@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
> Markku Kolkka wrote:
>
> > Richard wrote:
> >
> >>a. Is there any other way to non-destructively resize a NTFS
partition
> >>apart from Mandrake 9.1's install utility?
> >
> >
> > Commercial tools like Partition Magic and Acronis PartitionExpert.
>
> Mandrake's resize utility is based on the ntfsresize utilities, at
> sourceforge.net. You can download them and use them by hand, which I've
> done myself last week. Nice little tools!
>
Thank you.

> >>b. Any particular gotcha's that people have found with the following
> >>hardware P4 Titan 667 Motherboard (GA-8ST667 Series with SiS 645DX
> >>Chipset) with onboard audio (which Win Xp identifies as a Avance AC97
> >>Audio using IRQ 18),PS/2 style mouse (IRQ12), a GeForce2 MX400 with
64Mb,
> >
> >
> > You need the proprietary drivers from nVidia if you want 3D
accelereration.
>
> Yeah, they're at:
>
> ftp://download.nvidia.com/var/ftp/pub/nvidia
>
> They also are kernel specific: you'll need to recompile them if you
> switch to a customized kernel.

Thank you.

[snip]

"Markku Kolkka" <markku.kolkka@iki.fi> wrote in message
news:bdjraq$goi$1@phys-news1.kolumbus.fi...
> Richard wrote:
> > a. Is there any other way to non-destructively resize a NTFS
partition
> > apart from Mandrake 9.1's install utility?
>
> Commercial tools like Partition Magic and Acronis PartitionExpert.

Thank you.

> > b. Any particular gotcha's that people have found with the following
> > hardware P4 Titan 667 Motherboard (GA-8ST667 Series with SiS 645DX
> > Chipset) with onboard audio (which Win Xp identifies as a Avance AC97
> > Audio using IRQ 18),PS/2 style mouse (IRQ12), a GeForce2 MX400 with
64Mb,
>
> You need the proprietary drivers from nVidia if you want 3D
accelereration.
>

Thank you

> > a Kensington
> > EtheRx KNE 100TX PCI Fast Ethrenet adapter (21143-PD) IRQ 17, ASUS PCI
> > SC875 with IBM 9 GB HDD off it, an American Power Conversion UPS ES
350VA
> > USB UPS in a PCI slot
>
> What??? I have an APC BackUPS ES and it definetly doesn't fit in a PCI
slot!
Please read the whole post I didn't say it fitted into a slot, merely that
it takes one (and accordingly it obviously must use in some way, one).
>
> > but Win XP gives no further details on whether it
> > uses a IRQ or not, Seagate 40 Gb ATA100 (ST340016A) HDD (which WinXp has
> > taken as a
> > single partition formated as NTFS and I want to change it) Primary
Master
> > IDE (can/will swap it with a IBM HDD of 14Gb) Primary Slave 20 Gb
> > Seagate(ST320423A), Sony CD-ROM CDU5231 and Sony CD-RW CRX210E1, 1 Gb
> > memory.

"Clive Dove" <chdove@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:n_cLa.2645$a51.912@news02.bloor.is.net.cable. rogers.com...
> Peter T. Breuer wrote:
>
> > Richard <c138535@internode.on.net> wrote:
> >> a. Is there any other way to non-destructively resize a NTFS
> >> partition apart from Mandrake 9.1's install utility?
> >
> > You can use a partition magic utility, I believe. I think I also saw
> > something called ntfsresizer on freshmeat or somewhere .. google.
> >
> Why not use the Mandrake 9.1 installer? It is straightforward and
> almost automatic and will repartition non-destructively to whatever
> size that you want to cut out/
>
What if I don't like or have available Mandrake? All I am asking is are
there alternatives.

> >> b. Any particular gotcha's that people have found with the
> >> following hardware P4 Titan 667 Motherboard (GA-8ST667 Series with
> >> SiS 645DX Chipset)
> >
> > SiS is a general nono for anything.
> >
Oh Thanks really informative.
>
> >> with onboard audio (which Win Xp identifies as a Avance AC97 Audio
> >> using IRQ
> >
> > ac97 is a generic name for something which almost satisfies a certain
> > interface spec. It may or may not work. In any case, you don't want a
> > motherboard or a sound card like that! Get another. Avoid integrated
> > anything.
> >
> Onboard sound is generally junk. Get a good pci soundcard and disable
> onboard sound and onboard midi in the bios.
>
I did not come here asking for hardware recommendations I asked about likely
problems with this particular hardware.

> >> 18),PS/2 style mouse (IRQ12), a GeForce2 MX400 with 64Mb, a
> >> Kensington
> >
> > Is geforce ati? If so it will proabbly work - check with xfree86.org
> > as to the support in the version of X that comes with mandrake 9.1
> >
> My geforce is nvidia and nvidia has good support for their graphics
> adapters. Mandrake 9.1 will install a generic nv adapter which is fine
> for most purposes and for 3d you can download a package from nvidia
> that will install the nvidia drivers to any kernel, including compiling
> them if the kernel is a new version.
>
Thanks for this information.

> >> EtheRx KNE 100TX PCI Fast Ethrenet adapter (21143-PD) IRQ 17, ASUS
> >> PCI SC875
> >
> > Never heard of it. What chip?
> >
Uses in OS2 SymBios drivers SYM8xx variety.
..
> Is this possibly a typo? If the card is a Linksys LNE100TX, the module
> is tulip.

No typo.

> >> with IBM 9 GB HDD off it, an American Power Conversion UPS ES 350VA
> >> USB UPS
> >
> > Never heard of it and will likely never work.

Thanks on what do you base that conclusion?

> >> in a PCI slot but Win XP gives no further details on whether it uses
> >> a IRQ or not, Seagate 40 Gb ATA100 (ST340016A) HDD (which WinXp has
> >> taken as a
> >
> > Standard. Only the ide controller counts, not the disk. What
> > controller?

The motherboard.

> >> single partition formated as NTFS and I want to change it) Primary
> >> Master IDE (can/will swap it with a IBM HDD of 14Gb) Primary Slave 20
> >> Gb
> >> Seagate(ST320423A), Sony CD-ROM CDU5231 and Sony CD-RW CRX210E1, 1
> >> Gb memory.
> >
> > 1GB means that you will need a specially compiled kernel, or you'll
> > only see about 900MB of that.
is this a major problem?

Richard wrote:

>
> "Clive Dove" <chdove@rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:n_cLa.2645$a51.912@news02.bloor.is.net.cable. rogers.com...
>> Peter T. Breuer wrote:
>>
>> > Richard <c138535@internode.on.net> wrote:
>> >> a. Is there any other way to non-destructively resize a NTFS
>> >> partition apart from Mandrake 9.1's install utility?
>> >
>> > You can use a partition magic utility, I believe. I think I also
>> > saw something called ntfsresizer on freshmeat or somewhere ..
>> > google.
>> >
>> Why not use the Mandrake 9.1 installer? It is straightforward and
>> almost automatic and will repartition non-destructively to whatever
>> size that you want to cut out/
>>
> What if I don't like or have available Mandrake? All I am asking is
> are there alternatives.
>
>> >> b. Any particular gotcha's that people have found with the
>> >> following hardware P4 Titan 667 Motherboard (GA-8ST667 Series with
>> >> SiS 645DX Chipset)
>> >
>> > SiS is a general nono for anything.
>> >
> Oh Thanks really informative.
>>
>> >> with onboard audio (which Win Xp identifies as a Avance AC97 Audio
>> >> using IRQ
>> >
>> > ac97 is a generic name for something which almost satisfies a
>> > certain interface spec. It may or may not work. In any case, you
>> > don't want a motherboard or a sound card like that! Get another.
>> > Avoid integrated anything.
>> >
>> Onboard sound is generally junk. Get a good pci soundcard and
>> disable onboard sound and onboard midi in the bios.
>>
> I did not come here asking for hardware recommendations I asked about
> likely problems with this particular hardware.
>
>> >> 18),PS/2 style mouse (IRQ12), a GeForce2 MX400 with 64Mb, a
>> >> Kensington
>> >
>> > Is geforce ati? If so it will proabbly work - check with
>> > xfree86.org as to the support in the version of X that comes with
>> > mandrake 9.1
>> >
>> My geforce is nvidia and nvidia has good support for their graphics
>> adapters. Mandrake 9.1 will install a generic nv adapter which is
>> fine for most purposes and for 3d you can download a package from
>> nvidia that will install the nvidia drivers to any kernel, including
>> compiling them if the kernel is a new version.
>>
> Thanks for this information.
>
>> >> EtheRx KNE 100TX PCI Fast Ethrenet adapter (21143-PD) IRQ 17, ASUS
>> >> PCI SC875
>> >
>> > Never heard of it. What chip?
>> >
> Uses in OS2 SymBios drivers SYM8xx variety.
> .
>> Is this possibly a typo? If the card is a Linksys LNE100TX, the
>> module is tulip.
>
> No typo.
>
>> >> with IBM 9 GB HDD off it, an American Power Conversion UPS ES
>> >> 350VA USB UPS
>> >
>> > Never heard of it and will likely never work.
>
> Thanks on what do you base that conclusion?
>
>> >> in a PCI slot but Win XP gives no further details on whether it
>> >> uses a IRQ or not, Seagate 40 Gb ATA100 (ST340016A) HDD (which
>> >> WinXp has taken as a
>> >
>> > Standard. Only the ide controller counts, not the disk. What
>> > controller?
>
> The motherboard.
>
>> >> single partition formated as NTFS and I want to change it)
>> >> Primary Master IDE (can/will swap it with a IBM HDD of 14Gb)
>> >> Primary Slave 20 Gb
>> >> Seagate(ST320423A), Sony CD-ROM CDU5231 and Sony CD-RW CRX210E1,
>> >> 1 Gb memory.
>> >
>> > 1GB means that you will need a specially compiled kernel, or you'll
>> > only see about 900MB of that.
> is this a major problem?


You mentioned Mandrake 9.1. I merely suggested that you go with it
rather than paying for a commercial partition manager as it does the
job nicely.

I would be surprised if new releases of distros other than Mandrake did
not also have the same partitioning capability. All distros are
collections of open source software and all try to keep up with each
other in the selection that they offer.

The Kingston KNE100TX also uses module tulip. I don't know whether the
distro that you are contemplating has it aboard but it is such a
commonly used module that I would be very surprised if it did not. In
any event the source code is kept current by Scyld and it can be
obtained here:

ftp://ftp.scyld.com/pub/network

Richard wrote:


>>>Mandrake's resize utility is based on the ntfsresize utilities, at
>>>sourceforge.net. You can download them and use them by hand, which
>>>I've done myself last week. Nice little tools!
>>>
>
> Thanks URL?


http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/
Enjoy.


>>>Yeah, they're at:
>>>
>>>ftp://download.nvidia.com/var/ftp/pub/nvidia
>>>
>
>
> THANKS
>
>
>>>They also are kernel specific: you'll need to recompile them if you
>>>switch to a customized kernel.
>>>
>
>
> QUEEH?

The kernel modules to drive the nvidia hardware are compiled for
specific kernels. You'll need to download the module for your specific
kernel, or rebuild them from from tarball or SRPM or whatever if you
change or update your kernel to one not currently listed there.


>>>Now, if I can just figure out how they got the names of those RPM's to
>>>be compiled in with RPM command line arguments so I could script their
>>>creation for my custom local kernels, I'd be in hog heaven....
>>
>>The latest one is a single .run package that is run under sh and
>>compiles and installs both the glx package and the kernel package and
>>so it is no longer kernel dependent.
>>
>>There are two lines that need to be inserted into file
>>/etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and the package is run under a sh command in
>>single user mode.
>>
>
> Thanks

It's pretty neat. Note, though, that putthing this in *breaks* the
RedHat X configuration tools because of the required updates to the
OpenGL software. If you change your monitor or video card, you'll need
to pull out the nvidia widgets (which can be pulled out gracefully with
"rpm -e" under RedHat), then run the configuration tool, then put the
RPM's and changes back.

Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:

> Richard wrote:
>
>
>>>>Mandrake's resize utility is based on the ntfsresize utilities, at
>>>>sourceforge.net. You can download them and use them by hand, which
>>>>I've done myself last week. Nice little tools!
>>>>
>>
>> Thanks URL?
>
>
> http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/
> Enjoy.
>
>
>>>>Yeah, they're at:
>>>>
>>>>ftp://download.nvidia.com/var/ftp/pub/nvidia
>>>>
>>
>>
>> THANKS
>>
>>
>>>>They also are kernel specific: you'll need to recompile them if you
>>>>switch to a customized kernel.
>>>>
>>
>>
>> QUEEH?
>
> The kernel modules to drive the nvidia hardware are compiled for
> specific kernels. You'll need to download the module for your specific
> kernel, or rebuild them from from tarball or SRPM or whatever if you
> change or update your kernel to one not currently listed there.
>
>
>>>>Now, if I can just figure out how they got the names of those RPM's
>>>>to be compiled in with RPM command line arguments so I could script
>>>>their creation for my custom local kernels, I'd be in hog heaven....
>>>
>>>The latest one is a single .run package that is run under sh and
>>>compiles and installs both the glx package and the kernel package and
>>>so it is no longer kernel dependent.
>>>
>>>There are two lines that need to be inserted into file
>>>/etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and the package is run under a sh command in
>>>single user mode.
>>>
>>
>> Thanks
>
> It's pretty neat. Note, though, that putthing this in *breaks* the
> RedHat X configuration tools because of the required updates to the
> OpenGL software. If you change your monitor or video card, you'll need
> to pull out the nvidia widgets (which can be pulled out gracefully
> with "rpm -e" under RedHat), then run the configuration tool, then put
> the RPM's and changes back.


To back out for a new kernel, why not simply run this command from a
root prompt:

nvidia-installer --uninstall

Then "telinit 1" to go to single user mode and thencopy back the
original /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.

Then you can upgrade the kernel with the system using the generic nv
driver then you can re-install the accelerated driver, again from a
single user root prompt, thus:

sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4363.run

Which will recompile the nvidia package for the new kernel.

Richard wrote:

>
> "mjt" <mjtobler@removethis_consultant.com> wrote in message
> news:KSgLa.122$jG3.51667159@newssvr11.news.prodigy .com...
>> Richard wrote:
>>
[ clipped ]

>> ... i'd start at http://www.google.com/linux and do the searches.
>> you could also go to groups.google.com or to the distro's website
>> and check their compatibility database
>>
> CAN I repeat it as I said I DO NOT WANT TO BE BOTHERED LEARNING
> F***ING WINDOWS, IF I HAVE DO TO THAT I MIGHT AS WELL STICK WITH THE
> F***ING THING.


You are not being asked to learn windows.

Google is not windows-specific, in fact the link that you were given by
mjt is linux-specific. It was given to you to help you to learn linux,
not windows.

As to changing from html to plain text:
It was your choice to use Microsoft Outlook Express under windows.
You could have used one in OS/2 that would have posted plain text.
You don't need to learn windows to change the preferences. A bit of
exploration with the drop-down windows (a skill used in linux also)
would show you to go to tools -> send from the Outlook Express toolbar
and then change the news sending format from HTML to plain text.

Personally, I don't mind html as my newsreader is not bothered by it,
but not everyone uses such newsreaders while everyone can read the
plain text messages.

Also, the purists among us tend to get annoyed at html news postings.
The thing is that these are the people who are most likely to be able
to help you when you run into an arcane issue and so they are the ones
that you should stay friendly with. Calling one of them an "arrogant
little shit" is not helpful.

Clive Dove wrote:
> Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
>
>
>>Richard wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>Mandrake's resize utility is based on the ntfsresize utilities, at
>>>>>sourceforge.net. You can download them and use them by hand, which
>>>>>I've done myself last week. Nice little tools!
>>>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks URL?
>>
>>
>>http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/
>>Enjoy.
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>Yeah, they're at:
>>>>>
>>>>>ftp://download.nvidia.com/var/ftp/pub/nvidia
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>THANKS
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>They also are kernel specific: you'll need to recompile them if you
>>>>>switch to a customized kernel.
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>QUEEH?
>>
>>The kernel modules to drive the nvidia hardware are compiled for
>>specific kernels. You'll need to download the module for your specific
>>kernel, or rebuild them from from tarball or SRPM or whatever if you
>>change or update your kernel to one not currently listed there.
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>Now, if I can just figure out how they got the names of those RPM's
>>>>>to be compiled in with RPM command line arguments so I could script
>>>>>their creation for my custom local kernels, I'd be in hog heaven....
>>>>
>>>>The latest one is a single .run package that is run under sh and
>>>>compiles and installs both the glx package and the kernel package and
>>>>so it is no longer kernel dependent.
>>>>
>>>>There are two lines that need to be inserted into file
>>>>/etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and the package is run under a sh command in
>>>>single user mode.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>
>>It's pretty neat. Note, though, that putthing this in *breaks* the
>>RedHat X configuration tools because of the required updates to the
>>OpenGL software. If you change your monitor or video card, you'll need
>>to pull out the nvidia widgets (which can be pulled out gracefully
>>with "rpm -e" under RedHat), then run the configuration tool, then put
>>the RPM's and changes back.
>
>
>
> To back out for a new kernel, why not simply run this command from a
> root prompt:
>
> nvidia-installer --uninstall

Because the nvidia-installer checks your *current* kernel, not your old
one. And because I occasionally use custom kernels, with custom kernel
names, or the very latest kernel in a test rig. If NVIDIA hasn't
published an RPM for it, that widget won't find it.


> Then "telinit 1" to go to single user mode and thencopy back the
> original /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.

Because the XF86Config-4 file only exists on a few systems that have
compatibility between older XFree86-3.3.x tools and the more modern
XFree86-4.x distribution. On systems both older and newer than your
particular version, the file is called /etc/X11/XF86Config.


> Then you can upgrade the kernel with the system using the generic nv
> driver then you can re-install the accelerated driver, again from a
> single user root prompt, thus:
>
> sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4363.run
>
> Which will recompile the nvidia package for the new kernel.

You're not getting the point, apparently because I wasn't clear. If
someone changes their monitor, or swaps out the nvidia card or buys a
newer one, the graphical X configuration tools (such Xconfigurator and
redhat-config-xfree86) will choke up hairballs on the nvidia published
versions of the GLX tools. Even if you swap out the nvidia video card
altogether, go toan ATI card, but forget to take out the GLX tools,
you're horked. You don't have to remove the NVIDIA kernel modules for
this, just temporarily remove the GLX RPM, run the configuration tool,
then restore the tools and re-edit your XF86Config{,04} file as needed
it when you have your new kernel and hardware in place.

Does this make sense?

Richard wrote:
>> > USB UPS in a PCI slot
>>
>> What??? I have an APC BackUPS ES and it definetly doesn't fit in a PCI
> slot!
> Please read the whole post I didn't say it fitted into a slot, merely that
> it takes one (and accordingly it obviously must use in some way, one).

How does it "take" a slot? It's an external box that connects to an USB
connector (in addition to AC power). I can't see my UPS "taking" or "using"
any PCI resources or interrupts under Linux (RHL9).

--
Markku Kolkka
markku.kolkka@iki.fi

Richard <c138535@internode.on.net> wrote:
>> then change to text mode in the settings of that broken reader
> Sorry but as I said I DO NOT WANT TO BE BOTHERED LEARNING F***ING WINDOWS,
> IF I HAVE DO TO THAT I MIGHT AS WELL STICK WITH THE F***ING THING.
>> > a. Is there any other way to non-destructively resize a NTFS partition
>>
>> go to sourceforge and get ntfsresize utils
> Thanks a URL would've been helpful.

He gave it to you. type "sourceforge" in your browser. Stop being such
a pain.

>> > b. Any particular gotcha's that people have found with the following
>> > hardware P4 Titan 667 Motherboard (GA-8ST667 Series with SiS 645DX
>>
>> ... i'd start at http://www.google.com/linux and do the searches.
>> you could also go to groups.google.com or to the distro's website
>> and check their compatibility database
>>
> CAN I repeat it as I said I DO NOT WANT TO BE BOTHERED LEARNING F***ING
> WINDOWS, IF I HAVE DO TO THAT I MIGHT AS WELL STICK WITH THE F***ING THING.

Take the morphine, NOW.

Peter