Hello all,

I have just successfully installed Debian Sarge on my Atari clone, the
Hades060. Right now I just have the console with no graphics. I tried to get
Gnome to boot, but I am told the xserver needs to be re-configured. I think I
know what I did wrong when I configured it. My question is what command do I
type in to get to the screens so I can do the re-configuring? Then I need to
know about settimg the time. I live about 100 miles east of Chicago, so I
chose Central time when I was asked what timezone I live in. However Sarge has
me 6 hours earlier than what I want. How do I fix this. Thanks for any help
guys.

--
Edward S. Baiz Jr.
(Gamer)

HADES 060: 256meg Ram, Yamaha & Sony CDRW Drive, 1 gig
Jaz Drive, MicroTek E3 Scanner, Mach 64 w/4meg Ram, Epson
Photo 700 printer, PCI Networking Card, ICQ#91257633
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Nova Driver 2.67, NVDI 5, Mint(Net), Magic(Net), N.AES, Geneva

Edward S. Baiz Jr. <edbaizjr@comcast.net> wrote:

> I have just successfully installed Debian Sarge on my Atari clone, the
> Hades060.

Wow, antique m68k box. Back in the day (a couple of years back), I got
Debian 2.2 "potato" fully working on my equally ancient Mac IIci. So,
don't despair: It can definitely be done.

> Right now I just have the console with no graphics.

Here's the experience of someone with the same model, ditto with Sarge:
http://www.forumsforyou.com/p/comp.o...ne)_118.htm l

> I tried to get Gnome to boot, but I am told the xserver needs to be
> re-configured.

"dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", carried out as the root user.

> Then I need to know about settimg the time. I live about 100 miles
> east of Chicago, so I chose Central time when I was asked what
> timezone I live in. However Sarge has me 6 hours earlier than what I
> want. How do I fix this.

Run "tzconfig" to set your timezone. (This is a front-end that edits
text file /etc/timezone on your behalf. That's literally all it does.)

Easiest way to set your system to the exact time is to do:

"apt-get install ntpdate"

This installs a utility of the same name that, when run, does a one-time
synchronisation of your system clock to a public atomic clock on the
Internet, runs the utility, and configures your startup scripts to run
it again during each subsequent system startup.


The more-flexible (but potentially confusing) utility for adjusting
system time is called "date" (/bin/date). There are lots of different
sorts of ways to use it. Here's one:

"date MMDDhhmm"

....where MM is two digits for the month, DD is two digits for the date
within this month, hh is two digits for the hour in 24-hour format, and
mm is two digits for the current number of minutes past the hour.

To _also_ write the now-adjusted system time to your motherboard's
hardware clock, so that it will be remembered for subsequent reboots, do
"hwclock --systohc".


If I may hazard a bit of advice on something you did _not_ ask about,
please don't expect too much of your poor ol' m68k box: When I got done
with my Mac IIci, I had to admit that it... er... walked the X Window
System briskly rather than running it. A few months later, I realised
that that generation of machine was excellent in its day, and I had
loved it dearly at the time -- but that it's not 1988 any more. So,
I gave it to a friend.

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>Edward S. Baiz Jr. <edbaizjr@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> I have just successfully installed Debian Sarge on my Atari clone, the
>> Hades060.
>
>Wow, antique m68k box. Back in the day (a couple of years back), I got
>Debian 2.2 "potato" fully working on my equally ancient Mac IIci. So,
>don't despair: It can definitely be done.

Yes my 11 year old machine still has some use. I was very much amazed when it
all happened and am very pleased with the results.

>> I tried to get Gnome to boot, but I am told the xserver needs to be
>> re-configured.
>
>"dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", carried out as the root user.

Great thanks. Is there a list somewhere of the Linux commands and what they
are for and do?

>> Then I need to know about settimg the time. I live about 100 miles
>> east of Chicago, so I chose Central time when I was asked what
>> timezone I live in. However Sarge has me 6 hours earlier than what I
>> want. How do I fix this.
>
>Run "tzconfig" to set your timezone. (This is a front-end that edits
>text file /etc/timezone on your behalf. That's literally all it does.)
>
>Easiest way to set your system to the exact time is to do:
>
>"apt-get install ntpdate"

Great. Thanks much I will try that out. Thanks for all your help...

--
Edward S. Baiz Jr.
(Gamer)

HADES 060: 256meg Ram, Yamaha & Sony CDRW Drive, 1 gig
Jaz Drive, MicroTek E3 Scanner, Mach 64 w/4meg Ram, Epson
Photo 700 printer, PCI Networking Card, ICQ#91257633
PROGRAMS: Extendos Gold, Cab 2.8, ScanX, GlueStik, aFTP,
Calamus SL2002, Newswatch, Okami, PlayMyCD, Papyrus 8, Smurf,
Nova Driver 2.67, NVDI 5, Mint(Net), Magic(Net), N.AES, Geneva

On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:31:28 +0200, Edward S. Baiz Jr.
<edbaizjr@comcast.net> wrote:

> Great thanks. Is there a list somewhere of the Linux commandsand what
> they are for and do?

Ouch! To get a list of Unix commands, use the command

cd /bin; ls

and

cd /usr/bin; ls

There are a few more under /sbin and /usr/sbin.

To learn what they do, pick one, say "ls" and say

man ls

Those few that are not described this way are commands you are not
supposed to use directly. They are parts of some system with
documented front-end commands.

The descriptions are often terse. They use a special language
that puts off more than one, just to indicate what options are
just that, optional. Many of the man-pages make sense mostly
to those who already know what they say.

But the biggest problem is that they are 2830 on my system.
That is more than an afternoons reading. Good luck.

PS: Most distributions have some kind of Administrator's manual.
It may be worth it to buy a paper copy.

-Enrique

Edward S. Baiz Jr. <edbaizjr@comcast.net> wrote:

>>"dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", carried out as the root user.
>
> Great thanks. Is there a list somewhere of the Linux commands and what they
> are for and do?

Yes and no. If you want a quick reference of utilities common among
Linux systems, buy O'Reilly's "Linux in a Nutshell". Or use manpages.

Obligatory warning: neither manpages, nor that book, nor any other sort
of reference work, is intended to be a primary resource for _teaching_
the subject. For that, you need a _tutorial_, which is a wholly
different sort of work. My favourite general Linux tutorial remains the
book "Running Linux", though many other people differ on that.

To be really clear about that:

o tutorial: A text you learn a subject from, reading some number of
consecutive snippets of exposition to do so.
o reference: A text you use to remind you of the finer points of a
a subject you basically already know.
o quick reference: A reference that has been deliberately made
ultra-terse.

(Manpages are _quick references_. Many newcomers make the mistake of
assuming them to be tutorials, after hearing longtime Unix users
answer some question with an answer of the form "man [foo]" .)


The "no" part relates to the fact that some facilities, inevitably,
are Linux-distribution-specific. That happens to be the case with
"dpkg-reconfigure", which is a Debian front-end to the dpkg
package-handling tools, forcing them to put any named package through a
"--configure" phase, exactly like when that package was first installed.

The "xserver-xfree86" part was the name of the Debian package that
provided the X Window System server in your Debian 3.1 Sarge system.

>On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:31:28 +0200, Edward S. Baiz Jr.
><edbaizjr@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Great thanks. Is there a list somewhere of the Linux commandsand what
>> they are for and do?
>
>Ouch! To get a list of Unix commands, use the command
>
> cd /bin; ls
>
>and
>
> cd /usr/bin; ls
>
>There are a few more under /sbin and /usr/sbin.

Yeah. I did do that. I was just wondering if there was something I could print
out so I would have it in my hand. There are so many commands here. <g>

>
>To learn what they do, pick one, say "ls" and say
>
> man ls

Oh, I forgot about this one. Thanks for reminding me.


>PS: Most distributions have some kind of Administrator's manual.
>It may be worth it to buy a paper copy.
>
>-Enrique

I was thinking about that also.
--
Edward S. Baiz Jr.
(Gamer)

HADES 060: 256meg Ram, Yamaha & Sony CDRW Drive, 1 gig
Jaz Drive, MicroTek E3 Scanner, Mach 64 w/4meg Ram, Epson
Photo 700 printer, PCI Networking Card, ICQ#91257633
PROGRAMS: Extendos Gold, Cab 2.8, ScanX, GlueStik, aFTP,
Calamus SL2002, Newswatch, Okami, PlayMyCD, Papyrus 8, Smurf,
Nova Driver 2.67, NVDI 5, Mint(Net), Magic(Net), N.AES, Geneva

>Edward S. Baiz Jr. <edbaizjr@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>>"dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", carried out as the root user.
>>
>> Great thanks. Is there a list somewhere of the Linux commands and what they
>> are for and do?
>
>Yes and no. If you want a quick reference of utilities common among
>Linux systems, buy O'Reilly's "Linux in a Nutshell". Or use manpages.
>
>Obligatory warning: neither manpages, nor that book, nor any other sort
>of reference work, is intended to be a primary resource for _teaching_
>the subject. For that, you need a _tutorial_, which is a wholly
>different sort of work. My favourite general Linux tutorial remains the
>book "Running Linux", though many other people differ on that.

Sounds good. I will check that out. Thanks for the information.


--
Edward S. Baiz Jr.
(Gamer)

HADES 060: 256meg Ram, Yamaha & Sony CDRW Drive, 1 gig
Jaz Drive, MicroTek E3 Scanner, Mach 64 w/4meg Ram, Epson
Photo 700 printer, PCI Networking Card, ICQ#91257633
PROGRAMS: Extendos Gold, Cab 2.8, ScanX, GlueStik, aFTP,
Calamus SL2002, Newswatch, Okami, PlayMyCD, Papyrus 8, Smurf,
Nova Driver 2.67, NVDI 5, Mint(Net), Magic(Net), N.AES, Geneva

Hello All,

Again, I have just installed Debian Sarge on the Hades060 which is an Atari
clone computer. I am trying to setup and get the xserver (Gnome desktop etc)
to come up. I keep being told that I do not have the xserver configured
correctly. Below is some informationm about my setup:

4meg ATI Mach 64 Turbo graphics card (PCI card)

Compaq FS740 17" monitor

older PC style keyboard (no logo or menu keys)


The graphics card gives me 8, 24 or 32bit graphic modes in mostly 1024x768 or
lower resolution. It can give higher rez's, but I do not use them. The
monitor's manual say it can do 1024x768 at 75mhz, so that is what I chose in
the setup. I put the video memory as 4096 and the card's name as ATI Mach64
Turbo. I chose the 101 style keyboard and also chose the Atari mouse.

Of course when it tries to bring up the xserver and fails, Sarge asks me if I
want to look at a file to see what happened. I bring it up and notice I keep
getting a "caught signal 11" error. Anyone know what that means? Also, it says
it has looked for some modules and they are not present. Does this mean I
should re-install the xserver again?

Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks much.

--
Edward S. Baiz Jr.
(Gamer)

HADES 060: 256meg Ram, Yamaha & Sony CDRW Drive, 1 gig
Jaz Drive, MicroTek E3 Scanner, Mach 64 w/4meg Ram, Epson
Photo 700 printer, PCI Networking Card, ICQ#91257633
PROGRAMS: Extendos Gold, Cab 2.8, ScanX, GlueStik, aFTP,
Calamus SL2002, Newswatch, Okami, PlayMyCD, Papyrus 8, Smurf,
Nova Driver 2.67, NVDI 5, Mint(Net), Magic(Net), N.AES, Geneva

On Sun, 25 Sep 2005 06:42:02 +0200, Edward S. Baiz Jr.
<edbaizjr@comcast.net> wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> Again, I have just installed Debian Sarge on the Hades060 which isan
> Atari clone computer. I am trying to setup and get the xserver(Gnome
> desktop etc) to come up. I keep being told that I do nothave the
> xserver configured correctly. Below is some informationmabout my setup:
>
> 4meg ATI Mach 64 Turbo graphics card (PCI card)
>
> Compaq FS740 17" monitor
>
> older PC style keyboard (no logo or menu keys)
>
> The graphics card gives me 8, 24 or 32bit graphic modes in mostly
> 1024x768 or lower resolution. It can give higher rez's, but I donot use
> them. The monitor's manual say it can do 1024x768 at 75mhz,so that is
> what I chose in the setup. I put the video memory as4096 and the card's
> name as ATI Mach64 Turbo. I chose the 101 stylekeyboard and also chose
> the Atari mouse.
>
> Of course when it tries to bring up the xserver and fails, Sargeasks me
> if I want to look at a file to see what happened. I bringit up and
> notice I keep getting a "caught signal 11" error. Anyoneknow what that
> means? Also, it says it has looked for some modulesand they are not
> present. Does this mean I should re-install thexserver again?

Hardly.

> Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks much.

I am afraid that you can way out of memory for X. Signal 11 is segment
fault, that is, memory access outside allocated memory.

You fail to tell how much main memory there is on your box. anything
less than, say, 128 Mbytes tend to mean serious constraints.

Do you have swap enabled? With enough swap and much care you might
get away with down to 32MByte, but that, for one, will be a strech
of everyone's patience. After those things that must have some
memory fixed in ram, there will be so little left that the computer
will be doing one disk write and one disk read for every memory page
access. This translates to running about 1000 times slower.

Set your server to 8bit per pixel, and the lowest possible resolution.
Do not run Gnome or KDE. Just run any of the older window managers, I
just can't recall their names now. (If you hear about a newer one that
is lean, it may well be better, for what I know)

Check your system logs for memory-related messages, both /var/log/dmesg
and /var/log/messages. "OOM" is an acronym I can't remember how to spell
out, but it means the kernel is killing processes in desperation.

I am not sure if I heard the newest kernels have changed that, but
older kernels did not bother to let system calls fail when they
asked for memory and it was tight. Consequently many programs
written for Linux don't bother to test for failure status after
doing such calls.

Mmm, window manager names... Twm! That was one of them old ones.
And you could try Fluxbox. That appears to be a new generation
of those animals. (I have not tried it, maybe I don't even know what
I am talking about.)

-Enrique

>
>I am afraid that you can way out of memory for X. Signal 11 is segment
>fault, that is, memory access outside allocated memory.
>
>You fail to tell how much main memory there is on your box. anything
>less than, say, 128 Mbytes tend to mean serious constraints.

Actually, have 256meg of memory and if what you say is true about the Signal
11. then I think I know how to solve it. Thanks.

>Do you have swap enabled? With enough swap and much care you might
>get away with down to 32MByte, but that, for one, will be a strech
>of everyone's patience. After those things that must have some
>memory fixed in ram, there will be so little left that the computer
>will be doing one disk write and one disk read for every memory page
>access. This translates to running about 1000 times slower.

I do have a swap parition, I believe about 70meg. How do I enable it or check
to see if it is enabled?

>Set your server to 8bit per pixel, and the lowest possible resolution.
>Do not run Gnome or KDE. Just run any of the older window managers, I
>just can't recall their names now. (If you hear about a newer one that
>is lean, it may well be better, for what I know)

Ok. I will do that if all else fails....

>Check your system logs for memory-related messages, both /var/log/dmesg
>and /var/log/messages. "OOM" is an acronym I can't remember how to spell
>out, but it means the kernel is killing processes in desperation.

That may be happening since I have an older kernel (version 2.2.8)

>I am not sure if I heard the newest kernels have changed that, but
>older kernels did not bother to let system calls fail when they
>asked for memory and it was tight. Consequently many programs
>written for Linux don't bother to test for failure status after
>doing such calls.
>
>Mmm, window manager names... Twm! That was one of them old ones.
>And you could try Fluxbox. That appears to be a new generation
>of those animals. (I have not tried it, maybe I don't even know what
>I am talking about.)

Thanks for the tips. I appreciate it.

--
Edward S. Baiz Jr.
(Gamer)

HADES 060: 256meg Ram, Yamaha & Sony CDRW Drive, 1 gig
Jaz Drive, MicroTek E3 Scanner, Mach 64 w/4meg Ram, Epson
Photo 700 printer, PCI Networking Card, ICQ#91257633
PROGRAMS: Extendos Gold, Cab 2.8, ScanX, GlueStik, aFTP,
Calamus SL2002, Newswatch, Okami, PlayMyCD, Papyrus 8, Smurf,
Nova Driver 2.67, NVDI 5, Mint(Net), Magic(Net), N.AES, Geneva