Tom Newton wrote:

> These days, there are two kinds of Linux runners. Thanks to the
> corporate-sponsored yuppy geeks at KDE/Gnome/freedesktop.org and
> the distros that support those Windows-clone user-interfaces,
>
I want to get a sample of what you were smoking when you wrote that article.

Now, KDE is much more configurable (at least the 3.x series) and it allows
selecting which services to run or rather not.
Gnomes vfs automounting and popping up whatever you stick in, without
further configurablity, can be a P.I.T.A.
I prefer turning that off (but how with gnome???) and using good old autofs.
And no, I cannot hear the word "registry" even if "gnome" prepended.

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In the sacred domain of comp.os.linux.misc,
Tom Newton <tom@server.invalid> didnst hastily scribble thusly:
> I get your point, but it didn't hit the target: I am not talking about
> building anything. That's been done.

What is it with you and your one way conversation bollocks?
What is the point of posting only your half of a conversation somewhere?
Hmmm?

Or are you talking to the voices in your head?
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spike1@freenet.co.uk wrote of Tom Newton:

> Or are you talking to the voices in your head?

As he has stated elsewhere that he has 'killfiled' those who reply to
him, your statement above is probably correct.
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Tom Newton wrote:

[putolin]

> These days, there are two kinds of Linux runners. Thanks to the
> corporate-sponsored yuppy geeks at KDE/Gnome/freedesktop.org and
> the distros that support those Windows-clone user-interfaces,
>
> There are the true Linux runners, who want to learn Linux and to
> share their knowledge with others and/or write-maintain the free,
> open-source software that makes Linux possible.
>
> And there are the false Linux runners who simply want a
> free operating system and free technical support, who
> don't care about learning Linux and don't have any intention
> of doing their fair share of the work needed to maintain
> Linux. Or of donating to the developers and maintainers of
> the software they use.

What about those of us that build linux from scratch?

I build my own linux systems and I use KDE, but I am thinking of using
sawfish.

>
> They just want to watch videos and listen to music and shop
> and play video games and engage in mindless chatter with IM
> and IRC and on web forums, etc.

I am looking for an IM that does web cam on linux so far it doesn't work
I need to talk to my family in Dubai, Malaysia, and US.
This drove me back to installing winwoes as dual boot, it has no linux
counter point.

>
> The false Linux runners are destroying Linux, which is precisely
> why the corporations have put 10's of millions of dollars into
> KDE and the like.
>

I like to watch videos and music too.


> They know the couch potatos won't take the time to learn Linux
> from the command line (note that I am not talking about Linux
> without X, which I use) and they won't learn to type because
> they need one hand free for their beer, cigarettes, junkfood,
> cellphone, or whatever else they are consuming while they click
> and point with the other hand.
>

Point and click isn't all that bad, I do it too...cli as well.
It depends on what I need to do.

If it promotes linux where I can get more types of software then what is the
problem?

Linux needs more hardware drivers and software....

Just my two pesos.

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On 2008-02-09, Baho Utot <baho-utot@bildanet.com> wrote:
> Tom Newton wrote:
>
> [putolin]
>
>> These days, there are two kinds of Linux runners. Thanks to the
>> corporate-sponsored yuppy geeks at KDE/Gnome/freedesktop.org and
>> the distros that support those Windows-clone user-interfaces,
>>
>> There are the true Linux runners, who want to learn Linux and to
>> share their knowledge with others and/or write-maintain the free,
>> open-source software that makes Linux possible.
>>
>> And there are the false Linux runners who simply want a
>> free operating system and free technical support, who
>> don't care about learning Linux and don't have any intention
>> of doing their fair share of the work needed to maintain
>> Linux. Or of donating to the developers and maintainers of
>> the software they use.
>
> What about those of us that build linux from scratch?

What about you?

>
> I build my own linux systems and I use KDE, but I am thinking of using
> sawfish.

Someone who can run Linux from the command line can run any apps they
want. Including collections of apps like KDE/sawfish/gnome.

But I can't imagine why they would.

I wouldn't have those monstrosities on my box, and I can do anything
you can.

Just as quickly.

>> They just want to watch videos and listen to music and shop
>> and play video games and engage in mindless chatter with IM
>> and IRC and on web forums, etc.
>
> I am looking for an IM that does web cam on linux so far it doesn't work
> I need to talk to my family in Dubai, Malaysia, and US.
> This drove me back to installing winwoes as dual boot, it has no linux
> counter point.

You can talk to your family via telephone. Or email. OR IM, just for
starters. Quit pretending that electronics can take the place of
real human contact. Put all the money and effort into arranging visits
instead of arranging video cams. Or better yet, if they are that important
to you, live near them.

Virtual reality and physical reality are not the same thing by any means.
The corporations who sell all that stuff are lying to you.

>> The false Linux runners are destroying Linux, which is precisely
>> why the corporations have put 10's of millions of dollars into
>> KDE and the like.
>>
>
> I like to watch videos and music too.

So do I. But I don't need KDE to do it, and I take the time to learn
to run Linux, too.

>> They know the couch potatos won't take the time to learn Linux
>> from the command line (note that I am not talking about Linux
>> without X, which I use) and they won't learn to type because
>> they need one hand free for their beer, cigarettes, junkfood,
>> cellphone, or whatever else they are consuming while they click
>> and point with the other hand.
>>
>
> Point and click isn't all that bad, I do it too...cli as well.
> It depends on what I need to do.

I don't think you are as good with the command line as you say you are.

If you were, you wouldn't use KDE or any other collection of apps that
function as a user interface.

I don't. There simply isn't any point in it. It's a lose-lose proposition.

>
> If it promotes linux where I can get more types of software then what is the
> problem?

That question is answered in the parts of my article you snipped.

Try reading them instead.

>
> Linux needs more hardware drivers and software....
>
> Just my two pesos.

Doesn't stack against my thousand pesos.

Tom

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Tom Newton wrote:

> On 2008-02-09, Baho Utot <baho-utot@bildanet.com> wrote:
>> Tom Newton wrote:
>>
>> [putolin]
>>
>>> These days, there are two kinds of Linux runners. Thanks to the
>>> corporate-sponsored yuppy geeks at KDE/Gnome/freedesktop.org and
>>> the distros that support those Windows-clone user-interfaces,
>>>
>>> There are the true Linux runners, who want to learn Linux and to
>>> share their knowledge with others and/or write-maintain the free,
>>> open-source software that makes Linux possible.
>>>
>>> And there are the false Linux runners who simply want a
>>> free operating system and free technical support, who
>>> don't care about learning Linux and don't have any intention
>>> of doing their fair share of the work needed to maintain
>>> Linux. Or of donating to the developers and maintainers of
>>> the software they use.
>>
>> What about those of us that build linux from scratch?
>
> What about you?
>
>>
>> I build my own linux systems and I use KDE, but I am thinking of using
>> sawfish.
>
> Someone who can run Linux from the command line can run any apps they
> want. Including collections of apps like KDE/sawfish/gnome.
>
> But I can't imagine why they would.
>
> I wouldn't have those monstrosities on my box, and I can do anything
> you can.
>

Well you can have your system like you want it and I can the mine.

> Just as quickly.

Quickly ha ha it is not about quick.

>
>>> They just want to watch videos and listen to music and shop
>>> and play video games and engage in mindless chatter with IM
>>> and IRC and on web forums, etc.
>>
>> I am looking for an IM that does web cam on linux so far it doesn't work
>> I need to talk to my family in Dubai, Malaysia, and US.
>> This drove me back to installing winwoes as dual boot, it has no linux
>> counter point.
>
> You can talk to your family via telephone. Or email. OR IM, just for
> starters. Quit pretending that electronics can take the place of
> real human contact. Put all the money and effort into arranging visits
> instead of arranging video cams. Or better yet, if they are that important
> to you, live near them.

Do you want to pay for my airline tickets?
I can setup a Paypal account for you to deposit money into so it will be
convenient for you.

Using a web cam and an IM client _IS_ the way to do it.

You must be from a wealthy country.
You are very ignorant, Do you realize that the Philippines is a very poor
country?

Also I would find it very hard to drive to the USA, being that I don't have
a car (never owned one) nor is there a bridge that goes that far and
walking is out of the question.

>
> Virtual reality and physical reality are not the same thing by any means.
> The corporations who sell all that stuff are lying to you.
>

No companies are not lying to me.
How are they lying?

Anyway I can't afford what they are selling so it is a moot point.

>>> The false Linux runners are destroying Linux, which is precisely
>>> why the corporations have put 10's of millions of dollars into
>>> KDE and the like.
>>>
>>
>> I like to watch videos and music too.
>
> So do I. But I don't need KDE to do it, and I take the time to learn
> to run Linux, too.

So let me get this straight. I who compiles all the software from scratch
to build my systems using a blank hard drive and a Live CD doesn't know
anything about Linux and I _MUST_ learn linux?

>
>>> They know the couch potatos won't take the time to learn Linux
>>> from the command line (note that I am not talking about Linux
>>> without X, which I use) and they won't learn to type because
>>> they need one hand free for their beer, cigarettes, junkfood,
>>> cellphone, or whatever else they are consuming while they click
>>> and point with the other hand.
>>>
>>
>> Point and click isn't all that bad, I do it too...cli as well.
>> It depends on what I need to do.
>
> I don't think you are as good with the command line as you say you are.

OK see the above, you are right, I don't know the command line even though I
write make files and bash scripts to build and comfigure my systems from
scratch.

>
> If you were, you wouldn't use KDE or any other collection of apps that
> function as a user interface.
>
> I don't. There simply isn't any point in it. It's a lose-lose proposition.
>
>>
>> If it promotes linux where I can get more types of software then what is
>> the problem?
>
> That question is answered in the parts of my article you snipped.
>
> Try reading them instead.

I did, you didn't say anything.

>
>>
>> Linux needs more hardware drivers and software....
>>
>> Just my two pesos.
>
> Doesn't stack against my thousand pesos.
>
> Tom
>

Oh I see, you are wealthy and I am poor so you are better than me... Well OK
at least I am not a bigot.

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On 2008-02-09, Tom Newton <tom@server.invalid> wrote:

> If I can ignore their malicious gibbering, so can you.

The only gibbering is yours. Single minded zealots like yourself only
obscure the real advantage of linunx... choice. I prefer the command line.
I use it and the keyboard whenever possible. But, I also sell online and
use photo utililies available on KDE. Gimp is not a CLI utility.
KDE's Kuickshow is brilliant for previewing pics. Quanta is great for doing
html. If you want to limit yourself to such a myopic use of the computer, be
my guest. But, to come here spouting such nonsense makes you look like a
blithering idiot.

nb

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 03:05:45 +0000, Rick Pikul wrote:

>> What is it with you and your one way conversation bollocks?
>> What is the point of posting only your half of a conversation somewhere?
>> Hmmm?

> He's posting to two groups, setting followups to one, and then adding back
> colm with each of his posts.
>
> Which leads me to two obvious conclusions:
>
> He want to preform unopposed in colm.
>
> He is likely being at least somewhat misleading in his quoting.

You left out the third and fourth:

He's a friggin troll.

He's a certifiable net kook.

> He's at about the same level as those who constantly change their
> arguments and hide behind X-No-Archive to keep people from noticing.

He's as low as it gets. You did know this is the dickhead who formerly
posted as "Alan Connor", right? If not, you do now.


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Tom Newton wrote:

> These days, there are two kinds of Linux runners. Thanks to the
> corporate-sponsored yuppy geeks at KDE/Gnome/freedesktop.org and
> the distros that support those Windows-clone user-interfaces,

Troll, Troll, Troll your bait gently in the group.

> There are the true Linux runners, who want to learn Linux and to
> share their knowledge with others and/or write-maintain the free,
> open-source software that makes Linux possible.

> And there are the false Linux runners who simply want a
> free operating system and free technical support, who
> don't care about learning Linux and don't have any intention
> of doing their fair share of the work needed to maintain
> Linux. Or of donating to the developers and maintainers of
> the software they use.

Who are of the same type who are false radio users, false TV users, and
false automobile users. How will cars ever survive with so many false users.

Now that you mention it, what about all the true linux users who are also
false computer users? The false computer users by refusing to fully
understand and appreciate the hardware and worse yet refuse to participate
in new chip designs will be the death of the PC.

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John Hasler wrote:

> ntobob writes:
>> This is a slack newsgroup.
>
> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.setup

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 03:05:45 +0000, Rick Pikul wrote to
comp.os.linux.misc:

>> What is it with you and your one way conversation bollocks?
>> What is the point of posting only your half of a conversation
somewhere?
>> Hmmm?

> He's posting to two groups, setting followups to one, and then adding
back
> colm with each of his posts.
>
> Which leads me to two obvious conclusions:
>
> He want to preform unopposed in colm.
>
> He is likely being at least somewhat misleading in his quoting.

Dan C replied to Rick Pikul:

> You left out the third and fourth:

> He's a friggin troll.

> He's a certifiable net kook.

> > He's at about the same level as those who constantly change their
> > arguments and hide behind X-No-Archive to keep people from noticing.

> He's as low as it gets. You did know this is the dickhead who
> formerly posted as "Alan Connor", right? If not, you do now.

This nutcase has a problem, he wants a 'debate' on how evil KDE is, (he
seems to think it some kind of 'technocratic illuminati conspiracy'),
but if anyone dares to point out that GNU/linux is all about choice, he
replies that they are unwilling to hold an 'honest debate' with
him, 'killfiles' most of those who do reply and then cross-posts to
additional groups, adopting the wierd posting strategy you can see
outlined above by Rick Pikul. However he started out posting this
drivel to alt.os.linux.slackware hence the reply from one of its
subscribers which led to your post.
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