Not sure where to begin searching for the cure to this, so I figured
I'd
post and see if anyone has had this happen before.

I've got a Compaq Deskpro EN, 700MHz. It's got integrated 2-channel
IDE on the motherboard. I've got a Seagate {mumble} 10GB drive, and a
Plexwriter 24/10/40 ATAPI CDR (although I tried this with another
CDROM and got the same results).

The Seagate is master on primary, the Plexwriter master on secondary.
When I insert Red Hat boot CD (based on ISOLINUX 2.08) it boots just
fine.

Now, I added a Belkin F5U098 Ultra ATA/133 PCI card (based on the
Silicon Image Sil 0680 chip). I've got two Seagate 80GB drives, each
master on the Belkin's primary and secondary respectively.

I try to boot from CD, and get the following:

ISOLINUX 2.08 {mumble} Disk error 01, AX = 4271, drive 9F
Boot failed: press any key to retry

Now if I make a 1.44 boot floppy for Red Hat 9, then it'll boot from
floppy and see the CDROM just fine. I even installed everything, took
all the media out, and it boots just fine from the 10GB primary master
disk on the integrated IDE (and also sees hdc (cdrom), hde (80GB disk
1), hdg (80GB disk 2)).

Problem is, I want to run Fedora Core 2. They don't provide a
"rescue" floppy image that will fit on 1.44.

The only thing I can think of is I could install FC2 with the Belkin
card removed, and then add it later and configure my 2 80s by hand.
That's no fun though if my 10GB boot drive fails...I don't want to
disconnect the Belkin every time I need to boot from CD. (Then I lose
my data drives)!

Is there anything I can do? Anyone else have this problem and solve
it?

Thanks in advance,

Mike

Mike wrote:
> Not sure where to begin searching for the cure to this, so I figured
> I'd
> post and see if anyone has had this happen before.
>
> I've got a Compaq Deskpro EN, 700MHz. It's got integrated 2-channel
> IDE on the motherboard. I've got a Seagate {mumble} 10GB drive, and a
> Plexwriter 24/10/40 ATAPI CDR (although I tried this with another
> CDROM and got the same results).
>
> The Seagate is master on primary, the Plexwriter master on secondary.
> When I insert Red Hat boot CD (based on ISOLINUX 2.08) it boots just
> fine.
>
> Now, I added a Belkin F5U098 Ultra ATA/133 PCI card (based on the
> Silicon Image Sil 0680 chip). I've got two Seagate 80GB drives, each
> master on the Belkin's primary and secondary respectively.
>
> I try to boot from CD, and get the following:
>
> ISOLINUX 2.08 {mumble} Disk error 01, AX = 4271, drive 9F
> Boot failed: press any key to retry
>
> Now if I make a 1.44 boot floppy for Red Hat 9, then it'll boot from
> floppy and see the CDROM just fine. I even installed everything, took
> all the media out, and it boots just fine from the 10GB primary master
> disk on the integrated IDE (and also sees hdc (cdrom), hde (80GB disk
> 1), hdg (80GB disk 2)).
>
> Problem is, I want to run Fedora Core 2. They don't provide a
> "rescue" floppy image that will fit on 1.44.
>
> The only thing I can think of is I could install FC2 with the Belkin
> card removed, and then add it later and configure my 2 80s by hand.
> That's no fun though if my 10GB boot drive fails...I don't want to
> disconnect the Belkin every time I need to boot from CD. (Then I lose
> my data drives)!
>
> Is there anything I can do? Anyone else have this problem and solve
> it?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Mike

Ramble....

Doesn't adding the Belkin cause the pc to have more
than 2 IDE channels? Don't most BIOS's only suport
2 IDE channels (with 2 devices max per channel)?
Am I remembering the IDE limits incorrectly?....

.....end Ramble

Regards,
Larry

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Larry I Smith <larryXiXsmith@verizon.net> wrote:
> Ramble....
>
> Doesn't adding the Belkin cause the pc to have more
> than 2 IDE channels? Don't most BIOS's only suport
> 2 IDE channels (with 2 devices max per channel)?
> Am I remembering the IDE limits incorrectly?....
>
> ....end Ramble

Oh you're frickin' kidding me. I'm gonna feel like a total idiot if
that's the case.

No wonder you can't do RAID with IDE... =(

It's weird though, once I manage to boot (in my case off the floppy),
RH9 recognized the devices properly and set everything up OK. I've
run bonnie++ on all three hard drives, and actually copied /usr (~4GB)
to the /dev/md0 device, supposedly successful. (I'm using the Belkin
card to do a RAID 1 over the two 80GB drives).

If the BIOS didn't support multiple more than 2 IDE channels, you'd
think I wouldn't be able to use them at all, right?

I guess I could scrap the 10GB main drive and just put the two 80s on
the motherboard IDEs (drop the Belkin too), and hang the CD on the
slave.

Sucks though, because I really wanted all the RAID for just data. Now
I'm gonna lose like 7 GB for system too. Actually, since I don't
really need to RAID my system disk, I could split /usr and /var on the
two 80s and only use 4GB of equivalent RAID space. I'm rambling now.

Anyway, if someone could answer me the more-than-two IDE channel
thing, that would be great.

Thanks Larry for pointing this out...

Mike

On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 16:54:43 -0700, Mike wrote:

> Larry I Smith <larryXiXsmith@verizon.net> wrote:
>> Ramble....
>>
>> Doesn't adding the Belkin cause the pc to have more
>> than 2 IDE channels? Don't most BIOS's only suport
>> 2 IDE channels (with 2 devices max per channel)?
>> Am I remembering the IDE limits incorrectly?....
>>
>> ....end Ramble
>
> Oh you're frickin' kidding me. I'm gonna feel like a total idiot if
> that's the case.
>
> No wonder you can't do RAID with IDE... =(
>
> It's weird though, once I manage to boot (in my case off the floppy),
> RH9 recognized the devices properly and set everything up OK. I've
> run bonnie++ on all three hard drives, and actually copied /usr (~4GB)
> to the /dev/md0 device, supposedly successful. (I'm using the Belkin
> card to do a RAID 1 over the two 80GB drives).
>
> If the BIOS didn't support multiple more than 2 IDE channels, you'd
> think I wouldn't be able to use them at all, right?
>
> I guess I could scrap the 10GB main drive and just put the two 80s on
> the motherboard IDEs (drop the Belkin too), and hang the CD on the
> slave.
>
> Sucks though, because I really wanted all the RAID for just data. Now
> I'm gonna lose like 7 GB for system too. Actually, since I don't
> really need to RAID my system disk, I could split /usr and /var on the
> two 80s and only use 4GB of equivalent RAID space. I'm rambling now.
>
> Anyway, if someone could answer me the more-than-two IDE channel
> thing, that would be great.
>
> Thanks Larry for pointing this out...
>
> Mike

I don't know about Belkin's ATA cards, but the Promise ATA
cards have their own built-in bios. I've been using one with
two HDDs on the Promise card in addition to four ATAPI devices
(DVD-ROM, CD-RW, ZIP drive, Tape Unit) on the mainboard IDE
channels. And there's no problem booting from a CD in the
DVD-ROM.

When you boot the system, do you see a separate bios display
come up for the Belkin card after the mainboard bios has
done its POST?

Regards,
Charles Sullivan

Charles Sullivan <cwsulliv@triad.rr.com> wrote:
> I don't know about Belkin's ATA cards, but the Promise ATA
> cards have their own built-in bios. I've been using one with
> two HDDs on the Promise card in addition to four ATAPI devices
> (DVD-ROM, CD-RW, ZIP drive, Tape Unit) on the mainboard IDE
> channels. And there's no problem booting from a CD in the
> DVD-ROM.
>
> When you boot the system, do you see a separate bios display
> come up for the Belkin card after the mainboard bios has
> done its POST?

I sure do. It's almost like the way that Adaptec SCSI cards look when
you boot up...the mainboard sees the 10GB and CDR, and then I get
something like:

Sil 0680 ATA {mumble}
Press F3 for RAID setup
Searching for devices ......x

and then after about 3 seconds it dumps what the Belkin finds in both
its slots, spits out the RAID configuration (in my case nothing,
because I'm using Linux SW RAID), and then finally boots.

When I go to the BIOS configuration page, it sees the Belkin card, and
I can assign IRQs to it. I have it sharing with USB right now because
I'm not using the USB system at all.

That's what's kind of crazy to me about this. The BIOS recognizes the
card in set-up. The BIOS of the card prints out after POST but before
booting. Once booted, linux can see all devices and everything works
fine. Hey! Maybe I should try (just try!!!) booting a Windows
install CD. If it boots and ISOLINUX fails, then wouldn't it be an
ISOLINUX bug?

Also, maybe I should try using a different IRQ? It looks like I'm
going to have to share with something...audio, video, USB...

Thanks again for your comments...

Mike