Hi. I have SuSe 9.2 Professional installed and this is my first Linux
version. When I installed it I installed EVERYTHING: Now I have heard and
read on several forums that this might slow the computer down. This should
specially apply if have GNOME installed with KDE. Is this so, and can I
uninstall GNOME without compromising dependencies and so on? What other
things, software do you recommend that I remove, I want to have a fast
working Linux box.

On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 23:43:46 +0000, Bengt Boysen wrote:

> Hi. I have SuSe 9.2 Professional installed and this is my first Linux
> version. When I installed it I installed EVERYTHING: Now I have heard
> and read on several forums that this might slow the computer down. This
> should specially apply if have GNOME installed with KDE.

Don't believe everything you read, especially not on the Internet. This is
in particular is BS: Having software _installed_ on your system doesn't
slow anything down. What may slow down a computer are too many programs
running at the same time, exceeding physical memory, forcing the kernel to
swap memory to virtual memory (ie. the disk). Having said that, modern VM
management is quiete efficient but doesn't replace RAM. On my P3-650
Laptop with 128MB RAM KDE alone is painfully slow. Running a lightweight
window manager with only the apps that I need running, it's still fast
enough for any mondern distro.

> Is this so, and can I
> uninstall GNOME without compromising dependencies and so on?

Yes, you can uninstall everything Gnome, but not without losing everything
that relies on it, eg. evolution.

> What other
> things, software do you recommend that I remove, I want to have a fast
> working Linux box.

Don't remove things, add RAM ;-)

Seriously, if Gnome is installed but not running, it doesn't hurt your
system performance whatsoever, but once you do need it, it's there. Many
people work this way. What you should check though, is which services are
running and decide whether you need them or not. Switch off and maybe
uninstall _all_ unneeded services, eg. as long as you don't provide web
services to anyone, there's no need to have apache (a web server).

Check your documentation on how to do that.

In the future, don't choose EVERYTHING during installation. Start off with
the stuff you already know you're going to need and add things later.

HTH
Andreas

In article <SkjEd.13809$d5.116221@newsb.telia.net> (Sun, 09 Jan 2005
23:43:46 +0000), Bengt Boysen wrote:

> Hi. I have SuSe 9.2 Professional installed and this is my first Linux
> version. When I installed it I installed EVERYTHING: Now I have heard and
> read on several forums that this might slow the computer down.

Possible but not likely.

> This should specially apply if have GNOME installed with KDE.

If you run Qt (KDE) and GNOME (GTK) applications at the same time, you
might use more memory than if you only ran one or the other. Unless
you're extremely short on memory, why worry about it?

> Is this so

Sort of.

> and can I uninstall GNOME without compromising dependencies and so on?

Certainly.

> What other things, software do you recommend that I remove, I want to
> have a fast working Linux box.

You can remove any application you're not using, if the system doesn't
need it. Why not run Linux for some time, gain some experience, and then
start removing things you don't need? If you're determined to try to
improve performance by removing packages, you might start by looking to
see what services you're starting at boot time.



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Thank you all for your productive feedback. I will sit back and enjoy and
observe my box for some time. Then I will decide which, if any, programs to
remove. I have 256 Mb of RAM, but the machine makes a lot of noice during
start up, sounds like the harddrive is working, searching, like crazy.

"Hamilcar Barca" <hamilcar@tld.always.invalid> skrev i meddelandet
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> In article <SkjEd.13809$d5.116221@newsb.telia.net> (Sun, 09 Jan 2005
> 23:43:46 +0000), Bengt Boysen wrote:
>
> > Hi. I have SuSe 9.2 Professional installed and this is my first Linux
> > version. When I installed it I installed EVERYTHING: Now I have heard
and
> > read on several forums that this might slow the computer down.
>
> Possible but not likely.
>
> > This should specially apply if have GNOME installed with KDE.
>
> If you run Qt (KDE) and GNOME (GTK) applications at the same time, you
> might use more memory than if you only ran one or the other. Unless
> you're extremely short on memory, why worry about it?
>
> > Is this so
>
> Sort of.
>
> > and can I uninstall GNOME without compromising dependencies and so on?
>
> Certainly.
>
> > What other things, software do you recommend that I remove, I want to
> > have a fast working Linux box.
>
> You can remove any application you're not using, if the system doesn't
> need it. Why not run Linux for some time, gain some experience, and then
> start removing things you don't need? If you're determined to try to
> improve performance by removing packages, you might start by looking to
> see what services you're starting at boot time.
>
>
>
> --
> Lexicon:
> abSCOnd diSCOmfort diSCOurteous fiaSCO
> miSCOnceive miSCOnduct miSCOnstrue SCOfflaw
> SCOrn SCOundrel SCOurge viSCOus
>

"AT" <notme@example.com> wrote in message
newsan.2005.01.10.00.52.24.177423@example.com...
> On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 23:43:46 +0000, Bengt Boysen wrote:
>
>> Hi. I have SuSe 9.2 Professional installed and this is my first Linux
>> version. When I installed it I installed EVERYTHING: Now I have heard
>> and read on several forums that this might slow the computer down. This
>> should specially apply if have GNOME installed with KDE.
>
> Don't believe everything you read, especially not on the Internet. This is
> in particular is BS: Having software _installed_ on your system doesn't
> slow anything down. What may slow down a computer are too many programs
> running at the same time, exceeding physical memory, forcing the kernel to
> swap memory to virtual memory (ie. the disk). Having said that, modern VM
> management is quiete efficient but doesn't replace RAM. On my P3-650
> Laptop with 128MB RAM KDE alone is painfully slow. Running a lightweight
> window manager with only the apps that I need running, it's still fast
> enough for any mondern distro.

Not quite 0true. Nautilus, for example, turns out to be a CPU pig monitoring
all your hardware rather uselessly. Gnome and KDE are only active when
running X windows, but the plethora of silly little widgets will eat both
your screen space and CPU.

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 07:17:49 -0500, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:

>
> "AT" <notme@example.com> wrote in message
> newsan.2005.01.10.00.52.24.177423@example.com...
>> On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 23:43:46 +0000, Bengt Boysen wrote:
>>
>>> Hi. I have SuSe 9.2 Professional installed and this is my first Linux
>>> version. When I installed it I installed EVERYTHING: Now I have heard
>>> and read on several forums that this might slow the computer down. This
>>> should specially apply if have GNOME installed with KDE.
>>
>> Don't believe everything you read, especially not on the Internet. This is
>> in particular is BS: Having software _installed_ on your system doesn't
>> slow anything down. What may slow down a computer are too many programs
>> running at the same time, exceeding physical memory, forcing the kernel to
>> swap memory to virtual memory (ie. the disk). Having said that, modern VM
>> management is quiete efficient but doesn't replace RAM. On my P3-650
>> Laptop with 128MB RAM KDE alone is painfully slow. Running a lightweight
>> window manager with only the apps that I need running, it's still fast
>> enough for any mondern distro.
>
> Not quite 0true. Nautilus, for example, turns out to be a CPU pig monitoring
> all your hardware rather uselessly. Gnome and KDE are only active when
> running X windows, but the plethora of silly little widgets will eat both
> your screen space and CPU.

I didn't want to go into specific packages or programs, but you are right,
and Nautilus is the main reason why I am using KDE on my desktop box.
Having said that, Nautilus only becomes the memory hog if you load it into
RAM, ie. run it. It's on my disk, I don't run it, hence it doesn't
influence my computer's performance.

When speed is an issue and RAM and CPU upgrade not possible (like on my
Laptop), don't run a desktop environment.

"AT" <notme@example.com> wrote in message
newsan.2005.01.11.13.15.40.932301@example.com...

> I didn't want to go into specific packages or programs, but you are right,
> and Nautilus is the main reason why I am using KDE on my desktop box.
> Having said that, Nautilus only becomes the memory hog if you load it into
> RAM, ie. run it. It's on my disk, I don't run it, hence it doesn't
> influence my computer's performance.

It runs by default in Fedora Core: ripping it out breaks a lot of other RPM
package dependencies. I wind up renaming the binary and moving it aside to
avoid screwing up my dependencies.

> When speed is an issue and RAM and CPU upgrade not possible (like on my
> Laptop), don't run a desktop environment.

True, true! If you need a lightweight desktop, twm is still out there and
going strong.

Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
> "AT" <notme@example.com> wrote in message
> newsan.2005.01.11.13.15.40.932301@example.com...
>
>
>>I didn't want to go into specific packages or programs, but you are right,
>>and Nautilus is the main reason why I am using KDE on my desktop box.
....
> It runs by default in Fedora Core: ripping it out breaks a lot of other RPM
> package dependencies. I wind up renaming the binary and moving it aside to
> avoid screwing up my dependencies.

Nautilus runs default, if you use Gnome that is. KDE will happily
function without it. (-: