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Hi, i was wondering if someone running suse could answer this question, i am
currently running mandrake however there are certain things i don't like
about it but have stayed away from SUSE as according to their website they
don't to software updates, does this mean that they don't release bug fixes
for software that does not have security holes or what?

Thanks

Mike

"Mike Stewart" <michaelNo.J.SpamStewart@baesystesm.com> schrieb im
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> Hi, i was wondering if someone running suse could answer this
> question, i am
> currently running mandrake however there are certain things i don't
> like
> about it but have stayed away from SUSE as according to their
> website they
> don't to software updates, does this mean that they don't release
> bug fixes
> for software that does not have security holes or what?
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike

They implemented something in the control center for updates using
YAST2. Personally I think the question should not be "how does
SuSE...?" but "why SuSE?"
just my .02$

-Gernot

Mike Stewart <michaelNo.J.SpamStewart@baesystesm.com> wrote:
> Hi, i was wondering if someone running suse could answer this question, i am
> currently running mandrake however there are certain things i don't like
> about it but have stayed away from SUSE as according to their website they
> don't to software updates, does this mean that they don't release bug fixes
> for software that does not have security holes or what?

Don't do software updates?
Then what's Yast Online Update all about?

spike1@freenet.co.uk wrote:

> Don't do software updates?
> Then what's Yast Online Update all about?


.... that's for bug/security patches - NOT necessarily
for software upgrades to the next version
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mjt wrote:
> spike1@freenet.co.uk wrote:
>
>
>>Don't do software updates?
>>Then what's Yast Online Update all about?
>
>
>
> ... that's for bug/security patches - NOT necessarily
> for software upgrades to the next version

However, if you are an Enterprise customer, then it does
apply to version level upgrades. I know the OP is
probably just an individual consumer, but I figured
I state that just for completeness.

mjt <mjtobler@removethis_mail.ru> wrote:
> spike1@freenet.co.uk wrote:

>> Don't do software updates?
>> Then what's Yast Online Update all about?

> ... that's for bug/security patches - NOT necessarily
> for software upgrades to the next version

Ahhh, well you never said that...
I've never tried, but it might be possible simply by pointing yast at the
9.2 directory on their ftp server and telling it to upgrade.
You might need the upgrade CD set though (they've always done them, I think
they might do a mini-cd for installing over the internet too, so that might
work as an updater too)

>You might need the upgrade CD set though (they've always
> done them, I think they might do a mini-cd for installing over
> the internet too, so that might work as an updater too)
Yes, the only real way to upgrade to the next version over the
internet is via the install boot disk. This is available for download
(about 50-60 Mb).

It is also supposedly possible to do this via apt, but I've only heard
rumors. ;-)

There is also some sort of DVD package download, but I think it's for
network updates, not directly usable by one computer.

The ftp upgrade works -- provided your system isn't too customized. I
recently tried to upgrade a system that had been updated via apt with
packages newer than the 9.2 release. It wasn't pretty. In the past, on
less heavily updated systems, I've done ftp upgrades with success.

You can also to a new install from ftp (with the same disk). This is
much safer and it will probably work. Not to mention, you can always
buy the disks.

It's true that YaST online updates only offer bug and security fixes,
but there are other ways to update your system (like apt). If you do
that though, you will run into the above mentioned problems in a system
upgrade.

Pick your poison.
Tom F.

On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 04:28:36 -0800, Tom F. wrote:

>>You might need the upgrade CD set though (they've always
>> done them, I think they might do a mini-cd for installing over
>> the internet too, so that might work as an updater too)
> Yes, the only real way to upgrade to the next version over the
> internet is via the install boot disk. This is available for download
> (about 50-60 Mb).
>
> It is also supposedly possible to do this via apt, but I've only heard
> rumors. ;-)

The rumors are correct, but you have to know what you are doing. See
below.

> The ftp upgrade works -- provided your system isn't too customized. I
> recently tried to upgrade a system that had been updated via apt with
> packages newer than the 9.2 release. It wasn't pretty. In the past, on
> less heavily updated systems, I've done ftp upgrades with success.

You will encounter almost exactly the same problems with apt on a heavily
customised system. So, in essence, I wouldn't do it (again) on such a
system. It might (and probably will) work a lot better if you stick with
supported distro packages, beware though, that apt will not update itself
to the 9.2 version, because the package maintainer adopted a new naming
convention. As it is, apt barfs because it thinks that the installed (9.1)
version is newer than the 9.2 version.

Apt works best in its native environment Debian and some related distros.
Upgrading Debian Woody to Sarge and then to Ubuntu worked flawlessly.

> You can also to a new install from ftp (with the same disk). This is
> much safer and it will probably work. Not to mention, you can always buy
> the disks.

Agreed.

> It's true that YaST online updates only offer bug and security fixes,
> but there are other ways to update your system (like apt). If you do
> that though, you will run into the above mentioned problems in a system
> upgrade.
>
> Pick your poison.

Well put.

Andreas

"Gernot Frisch" <Me@Privacy.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Mike Stewart" <michaelNo.J.SpamStewart@baesystesm.com> schrieb im
> Newsbeitrag news:41e512be$1_1@baen1673807.greenlnk.net...
>> Hi, i was wondering if someone running suse could answer this question, i
>> am
>> currently running mandrake however there are certain things i don't like
>> about it but have stayed away from SUSE as according to their website
>> they
>> don't to software updates, does this mean that they don't release bug
>> fixes
>> for software that does not have security holes or what?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Mike
>
> They implemented something in the control center for updates using YAST2.
> Personally I think the question should not be "how does SuSE...?" but "why
> SuSE?"
> just my .02$

Not SuSE. Please. A bunch of people like it for the stability and support
reasons, and if you're running a specific software package that is
well-tested I can see continuing to use it. Also, SuSE takes its
internationalization quite seriously (they're a German company). But they've
been duplicating a mistake that RedHat stopped doing years ago and keep
stapling functionality into YaST instead of using separate modules, and in
the process they've created this incredibly complex and undocumented mess of
interwoven dependencies and widgets that they seem to think are smarter and
better than that of the authors of the software itself.

Widgets on top are fine, but breaking grub-install to do it is a bad idea.
So is using symlinks inside of chroot cages to point *out* of the chroot
cage.

<spike1@freenet.co.uk> wrote in message news:5rl5sc.7s8.ln@freenet.co.uk...
> mjt <mjtobler@removethis_mail.ru> wrote:
>> spike1@freenet.co.uk wrote:
>
>>> Don't do software updates?
>>> Then what's Yast Online Update all about?
>
>> ... that's for bug/security patches - NOT necessarily
>> for software upgrades to the next version
>
> Ahhh, well you never said that...
> I've never tried, but it might be possible simply by pointing yast at the
> 9.2 directory on their ftp server and telling it to upgrade.
> You might need the upgrade CD set though (they've always done them, I
> think
> they might do a mini-cd for installing over the internet too, so that
> might
> work as an updater too)

Heh. Try applying the suse-release RPM, and resetting where your download is
from. It'll at least take a shot at updating you. But I wildly prefer fou4s
to the YaST update tool.